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we're back ladies and gentlemen hello

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everyone and I actually have a monologue

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I'm starting to do these shows properly

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Now ladies and gentlemen so thank you

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hello everyone welcome back to the

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um it has been a while since our last

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episode and I believe our last episode

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was 2019 uh with this man right here

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have him be back on our first

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uh you know I'm thrilled to be back in

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the studio and connecting with all of

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you once again uh I've missed the space

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which have been such a vital part of the

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show and and why I did this for so long

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experiences with myself as well as those

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drama from politics and Mild conspiracy

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theories although those can sometimes be

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world is more is complex enough without

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you know eulogize a beloved member of

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our community uh which would be our

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podcast cat Coco she was loyal and

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loving companion she passed away last

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year and uh she brought much joy and

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comfort to many people who are involved

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with the show so and I know a lot of

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me in this Reflections we'll celebration

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I'm excited to dive into the world of

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piku with you all once again so let's

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get started Our Guest for tonight is a

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dear friend of mine and someone I could

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not see starting the show back up

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without having on which is the great

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Laird Scranton uh Laird and his wife

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Raisa have been an incredible positive

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force in my life and have helped me

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and what it means to be a father Laird

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is also an author researcher and expert

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on Ancient cosmology and language he's

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connections between ancient mythologies

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sacred symbols and cosmological beliefs

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of various cultures around the world

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including the dogon of West Africa the

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ancient Egyptians the Hopi and Zuni

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tribes of the American southwest and the

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Sumerians of Mesopotamia Scranton's

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approach to ancient history is

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interdisciplinary drawing upon a range

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of fields including anthropology

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Linguistics and Archeology he has

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topics including the science of the

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dogon Sacred symbols of the dogon and

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Scranton's work has been both praised

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and criticized by scholars in the field

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of ancient history and anthropology some

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have lauded his Innovative and

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thought-provoking approach to studying

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ancient cultures While others have

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criticized his theories as speculative

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and lacking empirical evidence overall

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Laird Scranton's work has contributed to

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seeks to understand the cosmological and

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spiritual beliefs of ancient cultures

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Scranton Laird welcome back into the den

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it's it's I I was wondering like what's

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now Laird we're just going to jump right

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into it because you know it I've I'm no

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one has ever said that I'm not uh short

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um and to respect the time of yourself

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whom are listening from the UK and I

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oh my goodness they're coming back

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of you who um to those of our listeners

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who maybe knew some who have been around

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for a long time uh what has inspired you

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um can you hear me now at this point am

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I coming through yeah people are saying

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Vassar College my professional

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on every chapter was dedicated to a

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long-standing mystery that had not been

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about the Dogan tribe in Mali there are

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primitive African tribe A Priestly tribe

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consider to be civilized but the tribe

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telescopes for example they they knew

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certain facts about the star system of

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system that goes along with how science

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begin with often begin with resemblances

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some way like thing B and thinks well

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of the science of an atom correct what

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are the chances that all the descending

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um rituals religious rituals that are

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like ancient Judaism they have a

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symbolic cosmology that's

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a very close match for a Buddhist

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cosmology associated with a Buddhist

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stupa shrine

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um beyond that the dog and um symbolic

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tradition has a lot in common with

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Hinduism

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um and with other traditions

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the Dogan language is so

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um is technically unclassifiable because

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it enfolds 18 subgroupings of words from

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other languages and so you can almost

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trace a historic lineage of where the

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the dohen had to have moved over time

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because they keep these subsets of words

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Co in coherently attack you have Turkish

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words you have Tamil words of the

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dravidian languages you've got ancient

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Egyptian words you have Hebrew words

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you have some words that are found

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um in Sanskrit

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um you have words of the fairways

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language in an ancient language of the

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the British Isles up in uh Northern

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Scotland

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um a whole host of different um of

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sorry my wife my wife is uh she just

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came back from trivia hi honey

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the thing that you wanted me to pick up

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night night

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oh I love her so much

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um

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I forgot I was going to ask some of the

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so because the Dogan are um

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they make an excellent entry point for a

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comparative study which is what I do I

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try to learn more about myths and

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symbols and words and rituals of ancient

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cultures by comparing how different

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cultures understand the same elements

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pick one element that's well defined in

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one culture and then compare how the

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other cultures treat it well how would

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you explain that a lot of these cultures

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seem to have such a deep understanding

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of the natural world

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well the Dogan and the and the Buddhists

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both say that in ancient times

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a group of teachers who were very

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knowledgeable these are teachers who

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were

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um fully on top of all of the science

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um conducted instruction globally on on

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the planet that they took

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representatives of tribal groups from

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around the world and

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um taught them civilizing skills and

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taught them

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um concepts of science

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um

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all in very similar terms with each

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other which is where Jung's archetypes

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seem to come from oh and that would be a

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good shelter for Laura uh from uh

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speaking with Young I know that uh when

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I first posted the show she's like oh my

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God Chris are you doing the show tonight

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I'm like hey Laura how's it going so

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that I I'm sure she that would be

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something that she'd love to be able to

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comment on

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um now you know for for these types of

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of uh for these types of cross-cultural

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uh and and natural phenomena that that

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seem to be cropping up within these

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cultures that that have such uh such

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interconnectivity now like how how would

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you look at your process for

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cross-cultural analysis

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okay the biggest threat to a person in

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my field of work is what I call uh

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Wishful interpretation

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the the human brain is wired in a way to

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see patterns we're we're wired to try to

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sort out patterns we're trying to make

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sense out of uh what sometimes a

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nonsensical world to the point that we

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sometimes see in patterns where they

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don't really exist you know a child can

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lie on the grass

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in a park I look up at the sky and see

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the clouds and imagine images of animals

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or objects or so forth

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um now the cloud doesn't really

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represent that thing but the brain

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imagines that it does so the first rule

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that I make to protect myself against

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Wishful interpretation is

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that interpretation always has to begin

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with one of the a clear statement on the

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part of one of the ancient cultures

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for example with the Dogan

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it wasn't until the Dogan I read that

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the Dogan priest said that their

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symbolic system represents science that

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I started to entertain that idea if the

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idea comes from me as the first source

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of it

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um it's not a reliable thing if somebody

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in ancient times has to have thought a

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thing for it to be legitimate

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and how would you differentiate between

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like this symbolic interpretation that

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would be plausible versus let's say

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something that would be considered

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well there any any number of areas where

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um

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or people have made speculations about

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you know how they think the pyramids

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were built for example

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um we've had had Engineers attempt to

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replicate on on a small scale the

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construction of the pyramid and they

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know that

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that certain things are

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are doable and certain things aren't

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but those end up bumping up against the

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limits of what science will allow to be

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true and the first thing that somebody

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discovers in my field of work is that

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um there are things going on that we

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can't immediately explain

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I I look at it more from the position of

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uh you know the human mind can can try

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so hard to try and find patterns within

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things it's it's why we see you know a

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turtle in in clouds or uh you know the

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patterns within everyday objects which

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we feel that would have some type of of

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importance uh or you know I'll use the

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example if Circle must be Atlantis uh

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kind of speculation when it comes to

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certain uh certain geological formations

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like do you think that there's always

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the possibility that within certain

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interpretations there could be that that

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stretch for the mind to try and find

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meaning within something that there may

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not be and how do you kind of account

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for that within within your own analysis

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well the the second principle that I

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apply to what I do is that once I've

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arrived at what I think is the correct

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interpretation of a thing

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you have to be able to answer a very

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simple question you have to complete a

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very simple sentence the sentence is we

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know this must be true because

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and then be able to fill in the rest of

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the sentence with something that your

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average person is going to intuitively

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understand that's a compelling reason

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why we have to think it

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so that's why normally where I normally

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start with other researchers is to say

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what to ask what would you say your top

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fact is or factor is that compels us to

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see this thing the way you see it

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why do we have to look at it that way

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and uh how is this held up to scrutiny

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with with certain you know whether

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whether we're talking mainstream or or

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other individuals I I know with with any

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researcher or any position doesn't

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matter if it's yours doesn't matter if

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it's if it's hancocks it doesn't matter

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if it's if it's a mainstream academic

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there's always going to be

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um depicting a part of an idea to try

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and get to the to to the the the the the

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Crux of it or to try and determine

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whether it's true or again in certain

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cases for people who just feel that you

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know they got to tear people down or

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what have you they're going to you know

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try and trying their best to be able to

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to debunk it uh you know have you run

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into any instances where uh a situ like

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a situation that this has been the case

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either from your own like in your own

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internal uh retrospective on your

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analysis where you've where you've torn

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your own idea down even if it seems that

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it fits

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well I was lucky as an elementary school

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child to be involved in some

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um sort of enrichment type science

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classes actually an excellent program in

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Salem Oregon

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um but the first thing my science

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teachers taught us was the concept of

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sincerely entertaining an idea what they

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said was anytime you have

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um

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a mystery or a scientific question

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you're trying to sort out and there are

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there's more than one potential answer

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that what you're required to do is to

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sincerely entertain each one and what I

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mean by that is it's the same process

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you go through

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say you offered to show me a shortcut to

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work that would save me 10 minutes each

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way even though I've been going to and

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from work for 20 years

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that you came up to me one day and said

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you know there's a shortcut you can take

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that you don't know about that will get

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you there 10 minutes quicker

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so when I agree to let you show me that

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shortcut I'm taking on some a certain

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kind of responsibility the first

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responsibility is if you try to take me

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up a dead end what I think is a dead end

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Street

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I can't say ho ho wait hold up here

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that's a dead end Street we can't go up

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that way instead in

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instead it's my job to say well I

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thought that was a dead end Street I see

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there's a dead end street sign but

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you're telling me this isn't a dead end

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Street show me how it's not

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so the onus is on me

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whenever you hit one of those junctures

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where you where you might be tending to

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bulk

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to set aside my own objection to to ask

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myself what would have to change in my

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Outlook

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for your perspective on it to be correct

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and then we follow through on your

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perspective of it till we get to the end

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and when we get to the end you've either

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gotten me to work faster or you haven't

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now if you do that except for each one

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of the possible answers to a scientific

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question

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things start to sort themselves out you

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start to discover that certain

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approaches answer the question much

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better than other approaches and that in

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fact you can recognize when it's the

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right approach because all of the little

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uh nagging interminable little obstacles

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that that seem to crop up in the way

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dissolve if you approach it that way and

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that's true with the delgan approach to

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to this science is that a lot of the

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things that science bumps up against

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when they're talking about the quantum

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domain and Quantum uncertainty and

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um

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wave particle

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um interactions and so things like that

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the things that are obstacles that are

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they can't seem to get over

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evaporate away if you look at things the

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way the dog can do and again to be able

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to carry on and I know

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um uh William uh Poland is is watching

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the show and he mentioned that he

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appreciates the refreshing look and

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listening to the refreshing excuse me

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the refreshing listen to a measured

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scientific discussion about the

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investigative process and you know this

560
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is this is the kind of show that I want

561
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,260
to be able to have for anybody who's

562
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,179
who's listening or watching that whether

563
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,880
it's an idea that mainstream will you

564
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:47,100
know agree with or if it's something

565
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,120
that you know the non-mainstream part of

566
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,340
Academia doesn't you know will agree

567
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,500
with or not agree with I I want to be

568
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,480
able to hear the opinions and and hear

569
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:59,159
what people have to say and especially

570
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:00,780
since I've talked to Laird many many

571
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:02,220
many many many times

572
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,380
right you know I know that he's going to

573
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:07,440
have his uh you know his ducks in a row

574
00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:09,240
when it comes to his work

575
00:25:14,289 --> 00:25:11,640
um I'm looking at also from the fact

576
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:14,299
that you know mainstream Academia itself

577
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:16,260
uh will

578
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:17,340
you know they're going to have

579
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,860
reluctance to embracing these you know

580
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,419
this type of alternative idea especially

581
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:23,520
when it comes to your work uh why do you

582
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,970
well I mean it's it's not a problem for

583
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:31,919
somewhat uh to question an Outlook that

584
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:33,059
I'm presenting I mean they should be

585
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:34,679
they should be asking the same question

586
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:36,299
I would which is

587
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:38,279
how is it that we're compelled to look

588
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,480
at it this way

589
00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:41,520
now if they're sincere about that

590
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,799
question that opens the door for me to

591
00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:45,179
walk them through to step them through

592
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,159
the thought process of how we get from

593
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,080
point A to point d

594
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:51,659
with whatever topic happens to be

595
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,960
so I'm perfectly happy with that and if

596
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,059
they present if along that way they

597
00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:59,640
present a point that I'm not capable of

598
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:01,020
answering

599
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,659
then that opens doors to research for me

600
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:06,480
or it throws up questions to my outlook

601
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:09,720
for me uh you have been doing this for a

602
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:10,860
number of years

603
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:12,179
um I believe one of one of the first

604
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,419
interviews that you had uh on video was

605
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,400
from the magical Egypt series and I know

606
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:18,960
it was kind of like one of the later

607
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,059
episodes and it was an immense an

608
00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:23,340
addendum I'm gonna butcher that word I'm

609
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:25,380
sorry everybody my pronunciation's gone

610
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:27,779
right to heck the last couple of years

611
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:28,700
um

612
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:31,740
you know you've you've been doing this

613
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:35,279
for a long time and within that 20

614
00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:39,659
30-year span of your work uh like and

615
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,720
not with that not not naming any names

616
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:44,880
have you had somebody from mainstream

617
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:47,100
Academia come to you and say you know I

618
00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:48,840
don't agree with what you're saying or I

619
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,799
don't necessarily agree with your

620
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:52,320
position or your point uh can you walk

621
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,320
me through your thought process to to

622
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:57,840
you know show me how this goes and like

623
00:27:01,549 --> 00:26:59,640
has it gotten to the point where you've

624
00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:01,559
been able to either change their mind or

625
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,779
at least seen them

626
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:06,120
have their Paradigm shifted to a point

627
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:07,380
where they're at least able to look from

628
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,529
that's why a traditional mainstream

629
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:15,120
stream academic doesn't really want to

630
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:16,679
get involved in a discussion about

631
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,779
something they consider to be French

632
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,360
and so that sort of filters out a lot of

633
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:23,520
that because they really aren't I mean

634
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:25,140
as a rule they really aren't interested

635
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,020
in hearing the perspective

636
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:29,880
um so you don't really get that a lot of

637
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,620
times you and I were both friendly with

638
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:33,600
John Anthony West and there were a

639
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:34,760
number of times

640
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:37,980
through my process where John and I

641
00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:40,740
would land on polar opposite sides of an

642
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:42,659
answer to a question

643
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:46,140
now John was somebody that I knew was a

644
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:47,880
very careful researcher he did not

645
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:50,460
endorse an Outlook unless he had good

646
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:52,020
reason to endorse it

647
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:56,279
so that made me think that there must be

648
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,640
an umbrella perspective over both of you

649
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,860
know both positions and so I would go

650
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:03,480
out and actively look for that umbrella

651
00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:04,919
perspective

652
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,020
um and every time I would have been end

653
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:10,440
up coming back uh for example uh to go

654
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:12,179
back to the Tepe we were

655
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,860
um there was a debate as to whether

656
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:16,020
certain symbols there representative the

657
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,360
concept of a sanctuary or whether they

658
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,600
represented the concept of a house

659
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:23,279
well it turns out if you dig deeply

660
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:25,500
enough you you discover that the same

661
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:27,059
symbol can represent either thing in

662
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,440
different cultures

663
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:30,480
so it's not a question of one being

664
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:32,460
right or the other one being right it's

665
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,980
a question of taking that disagreement

666
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,600
to expand the perspective that we both

667
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,330
but no this is an interesting question

668
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,799
from I know that there are uh one

669
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,559
individual in the chat August wants me

670
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,600
to ask if you've ever been open to live

671
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:50,460
debates or have you done live debates

672
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:52,620
before

673
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,220
um

674
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,440
I've been part of panel discussions I've

675
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,320
been involved with debates

676
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,240
um on

677
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:03,419
um podcast type discussions before

678
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,230
it it all depends on how it's handled

679
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:11,700
because if people come into a debate

680
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:14,940
with entrenched positions then it's not

681
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:16,140
going to get anywhere it's going to

682
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:17,700
start out polarized it's going to stay

683
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:20,760
polarized the entire time

684
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,440
um I'd rather approach something like

685
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:24,899
that from the standpoint of one or the

686
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,539
other person saying here's how I see the

687
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:29,580
issue and now let me walk everybody

688
00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:33,240
through it and be the sounding board for

689
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:35,480
that I discovered as a software designer

690
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:38,580
that quite often a programmer will get

691
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,100
in a situation where

692
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,380
they had a logical problem in their

693
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,840
software that they simply were not able

694
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,279
to find they would beat their head

695
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,020
against the wall for hours or for days

696
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:51,299
and they couldn't turn up the answer

697
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:52,740
but

698
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,299
the moment they invited another

699
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:56,220
programmer over to stand next to them

700
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:58,740
and just listen just stand there not say

701
00:30:02,649 --> 00:30:00,419
anything just listen

702
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,659
and talk the logic out to that person

703
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,279
they discovered their own

704
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:08,340
false assumption isn't that the same as

705
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:10,020
the rubber duck method does if there's

706
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:12,419
any programmers they they'll they should

707
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,279
know you get your little rubber duck and

708
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,600
you explain the code to them and

709
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:17,700
stepping through step by step yeah same

710
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,559
thing I used to joke that I wanted to

711
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:21,360
Market a dummy on Wheels they could roll

712
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,820
over to your desk and talk it talk the

713
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,860
thing out to you so

714
00:30:30,649 --> 00:30:28,320
the thing with trying trying um even

715
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,659
with a panel discussion

716
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,919
um panel discussions are difficult

717
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:34,799
because again the various members of the

718
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,360
panel discussion each have their own

719
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:38,760
specialty field and they have their own

720
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:40,919
credentials in the specialty field and

721
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:42,360
their own investment in a perspective

722
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:43,980
about a question

723
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:46,919
so in that kind of a situation what I

724
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:51,360
tend to do is I tend to oh let's back

725
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:52,980
this up a little bit

726
00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:55,679
my Approach is is a little like

727
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:57,980
the children's game Clue

728
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:00,960
that if you came to me and proposed that

729
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,820
the murderer was Colonel Mustard in the

730
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,279
library with a Candlestick and I don't

731
00:31:08,889 --> 00:31:07,440
have any card in my hand to flatly

732
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,899
discredit that

733
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:12,000
then if I do have a card to describe and

734
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:13,980
then I show it let's say

735
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,960
I appreciate the perspective it can't be

736
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,820
that because of this

737
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:19,620
but if I don't have

738
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:22,740
a card in my hand to flatly discredit it

739
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:24,600
then you allow the person their

740
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:27,539
perspective and you realize that there's

741
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:28,980
an open question here that has to be

742
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:31,380
researched and

743
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,419
um and eventually the the thing will

744
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,220
sort of zap out but you're looking for

745
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:37,200
the the points of overlap with the other

746
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,419
researchers not not the points of

747
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,559
disagreement

748
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:42,299
and you try to emphasize the points of

749
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,980
overlap with the other researcher and

750
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:46,020
work from those as kind of a starting

751
00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,740
point it and that's very similar

752
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:50,940
approach to the way that I have

753
00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:53,640
remembered way way way way way back when

754
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:57,980
we're talking 2016 2017 and I remember

755
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:00,779
in a discussion with

756
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:05,220
um Dr shock uh I know that that there

757
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,340
had been a discussion to and not knowing

758
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:10,080
within the realm of Academia exactly

759
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:14,039
what the word debate means which can be

760
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,020
as you mentioned extremely competitive

761
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:18,360
uh right and and you know the concept of

762
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:21,240
having a debate between you know him and

763
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:26,340
uh Randall Carlson uh vis-a-vis the uh

764
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:30,419
you know Common Impact versus solar

765
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:35,340
the you know solar mass ejection to be

766
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:37,860
able to explain the overdrice

767
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,679
um now knowing that they've talked many

768
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,480
probably many many times since then and

769
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:44,700
there's you know has been a lot of of

770
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:48,000
crosstalk and and sharing of ideas uh

771
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,799
not understanding that for as a

772
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,399
layperson not within Academia itself

773
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,779
knowing that for somebody who is in

774
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:56,340
Academia or who isn't a researcher

775
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:58,440
whether it's it's from software or from

776
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:01,500
you know dealing with with rocks and and

777
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:06,120
water erosion uh it opens up a lot of

778
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:08,279
anxiety within that within that sphere

779
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:09,960
within that possibility for for

780
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:12,299
discussion you know if somebody's saying

781
00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:14,039
hey I'm going to go into a debate and

782
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,860
that academic academic is oh my goodness

783
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:18,360
I'm basically going to be attacked for

784
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:22,500
60 minutes right who who on Earth beside

785
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,200
besides me obviously

786
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:27,000
would want to go into that kind of

787
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:31,500
long-term conflict it is ex you know

788
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,220
if if it's extremely extremely uh

789
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,159
difficult you know we deal with enough

790
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,600
stress on a daily basis so I can

791
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,820
understand to some people who may not

792
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:44,640
may may not be open to it obviously if

793
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:47,399
it is within the realm of of a field

794
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,500
it's kind of necessary especially when

795
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:50,820
you're dealing with like dissertations

796
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:53,760
or trying to defend your thesis

797
00:33:59,649 --> 00:33:57,600
um but I feel if we we as a society were

798
00:34:02,570 --> 00:33:59,659
able to share each other's ideas even if

799
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:02,580
somebody says okay well this idea is

800
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,880
like I think it's not good okay at least

801
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:07,500
I can see somebody's perspective on

802
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,540
something versus well your idea is no

803
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,220
good so I'm not even going to listen to

804
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:14,159
it uh I don't think that's necessarily

805
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,200
healthy

806
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:16,800
although

807
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,540
at the end of the day there's also that

808
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:20,220
you know the logical part of my brain

809
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:22,020
that's going like not all ideas are

810
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:23,700
necessarily valid

811
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:25,800
but at the same time you can still

812
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:28,500
consider the idea or at least try and

813
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:29,879
see it from that perspective and then

814
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,580
come to a conclusion but to discount it

815
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:34,800
completely outright without doing that

816
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,099
first I I feel is is somewhat um you

817
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,440
know it's it's does a disservice to to

818
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:42,300
the field like if I'm going to program

819
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,740
something or if I'm going to design a

820
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,359
website and I'm saying well I'm never

821
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:48,179
going to use this feature and I you know

822
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:50,040
see it working somewhere else I'm like

823
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,899
okay well maybe you know maybe that's

824
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,220
something I can incorporate into my own

825
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,800
work uh I wish more people did that

826
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,900
especially whether it be mainstream or

827
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:00,240
in not just because

828
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,760
at best it would be more fun

829
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:04,320
right

830
00:35:10,089 --> 00:35:07,020
well it also helps

831
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,099
if you can focus discussion on a single

832
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,200
principle or issue at a time

833
00:35:17,170 --> 00:35:15,839
because when you do that I think find

834
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:17,180
that

835
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:20,040
different researchers or if we're

836
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:21,540
talking politics different people with

837
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,200
different positions in politics can

838
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,960
they'll either arrive at the point of

839
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,520
Disconnect in their outlooks if you're

840
00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:31,200
talking about a single issue

841
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:33,300
or else they'll realize they have more

842
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:34,740
in common with each other about it than

843
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:37,079
they thought when they started out and

844
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:38,339
so

845
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,000
start to over complicate it things get

846
00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:45,000
so so messy that nobody could ever see

847
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:46,920
you know entangled so nobody can sort it

848
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:49,260
out so you try to keep the focus

849
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:50,579
simplified

850
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,920
now before we really dive into the newer

851
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:55,920
work I I'd love to know uh what would

852
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:58,260
your advice be for somebody who happens

853
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,300
to stumble across this Channel and let's

854
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,400
say says who's this layered Scranton guy

855
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:04,320
who may not have heard of your work

856
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,820
before although pretty much everyone's

857
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,440
heard of you Laird you're famous it's

858
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:09,540
fantastic I love it

859
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,099
um what would you say to that to

860
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,480
somebody who may not have heard of you

861
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:14,880
where they should start looking when it

862
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:17,099
comes to exploring ancient cultures to

863
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,380
spirituality uh you know when the

864
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:20,880
connections between them either from the

865
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,980
academic side or from let's say more of

866
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,440
the alternative View

867
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:28,200
okay first understand that

868
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:34,130
the information we're looking for is the

869
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,400
oldest information

870
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:38,400
that if we go back in time in ancient

871
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:44,650
um origin

872
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:47,400
elements of the cosmological tradition

873
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:49,980
that are original to the tradition

874
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:52,980
come with a degree of self-confirmation

875
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:55,260
built into them

876
00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:58,859
um Confucius at 500 BC complained loudly

877
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:00,900
that he could no longer count on Ancient

878
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:03,660
Chinese words to convey their own

879
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:06,300
meanings that in China the original form

880
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:09,300
of uh symbolic language in China

881
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:11,160
each word explained its own meaning

882
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:12,540
through the symbols used to write it

883
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:14,339
that's also true with Egyptian

884
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,680
hieroglyphics with the Dogan language

885
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,020
the Dogan Preserve

886
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:21,960
a set of what I consider to be original

887
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,060
syllables of you know cosmological

888
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:26,579
syllables where every syllable

889
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:29,640
corresponds to one or more Concepts and

890
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:31,619
that if you're trying to build a more

891
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,660
complicated word you mix and match those

892
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:35,700
syllables while you're mixing and

893
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:38,040
matching Concepts to create to express

894
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:39,960
what it is you're trying to say in the

895
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:42,839
word so if I know how a dog and word is

896
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:45,240
pronounced was originally pronounced I

897
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:47,940
can most often predict what it was

898
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,820
intended to mean same thing with ancient

899
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:52,380
Egyptian words

900
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,599
if once you start to understand that

901
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,640
every glyph represents a concept in that

902
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,320
same way

903
00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:00,359
you substitute Concepts or glyphs and

904
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,140
you produce a symbolic sentence that

905
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:05,640
represents the intended meaning of the

906
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,859
word Of The Scribe who wrote it down we

907
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,180
don't have to guess

908
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:11,520
and so you're trying to get down to a

909
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:13,740
level an early enough level in things

910
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:17,700
where things are explicit and so it

911
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:19,320
takes the researcher out of the process

912
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:20,760
of trying to understand what this thing

913
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,160
means what are the sort of side projects

914
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:26,099
I've been working on is what I call

915
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:26,700
um

916
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,240
that evolving a list of ancient Egyptian

917
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,119
glyph shapes in derived sequence and

918
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,760
what I mean by that is I start with the

919
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,740
very simplest ones where

920
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,839
a concept is represented by a single

921
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:42,180
glyph so there's no doubt what the glyph

922
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,380
represents

923
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,900
and work forward from those to more

924
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:48,300
complicated words with the idea of never

925
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,460
using a glyph that I haven't already

926
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:52,740
explained and Justified the meaning of

927
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:55,260
and so from that I'm now in a position

928
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:57,420
if somebody says well how why is it that

929
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,920
we think that this glyph means this

930
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:01,200
thing I can copy and paste out of this

931
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:04,980
document the whole Trail however long

932
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,020
the trail is of justification for

933
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:10,079
meanings for the glyphs that that you

934
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:12,119
know produce a meaning in a word

935
00:39:15,730 --> 00:39:13,800
that's a really really good approach

936
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:15,740
because if somebody

937
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:18,660
especially if you have access to you

938
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:22,079
know tutorial well your your Lexicon uh

939
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,339
you know on your phone I know you're

940
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,440
you're working on on a um you said

941
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,660
you're working on a Chromebook but you

942
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:30,480
know nowadays like I've got my documents

943
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:32,099
stored on on the cloud whether it's on

944
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,680
Dropbox or OneDrive you can have your

945
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,780
entire lexicon basically at your

946
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,400
fingertips and if somebody asks you a

947
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,560
question if you know exactly where it is

948
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,240
where what document it's going to be in

949
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,400
what page it's going to be on even if

950
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:46,079
you don't you can still search for it

951
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:48,060
and then bring that information up right

952
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:51,060
at the get-go which is wild if you think

953
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:53,820
about it because you know even five or

954
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,140
ten years ago that would have been much

955
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,079
more difficult to do right and I use my

956
00:40:01,310 --> 00:40:00,119
own books that way very often when

957
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:01,320
someone wants to know what was the

958
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:03,480
original reference for such and such

959
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,640
I find it quicker by scanning my own

960
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:08,640
book then by trying to track back now

961
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,260
through all the different sources I have

962
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:12,780
which volume of swallows was it and

963
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:15,000
Which chapter that he said blah blah

964
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:16,680
when was the last time you had to do

965
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:17,940
something like that

966
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,940
all the time I get questions all the

967
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:22,500
time from people saying

968
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:23,940
um can you tell me what this means and

969
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,339
why do you think it means that like

970
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:28,079
we're talking just like random on

971
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:30,300
Facebook you get like a you know an

972
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,460
other message and it's like hey Laird

973
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:34,400
yeah

974
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,780
exactly but I've also learned to pay

975
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,940
attention to those because those are

976
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:41,400
quite often not incidental

977
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:43,560
for example

978
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:47,820
um out around oh in in like 2012 or so

979
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,380
um I received an email from a person

980
00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:51,119
like that from a person I didn't know in

981
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,890
researchers were seeing ancient Egyptian

982
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:00,180
influences at the scarabray village on

983
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:03,000
orkney island in Northern Scotland I

984
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:04,200
didn't know that I didn't know the first

985
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,339
thing about

986
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:07,380
scotlander about the Scarborough Village

987
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,619
but I have learned that when a seemingly

988
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:12,240
random question like that comes out of

989
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,619
the blue to me from somebody I don't

990
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:16,560
know that the questions for me

991
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:18,780
and the the benefit of the question is

992
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,820
to me if I'm willing to put in the

993
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,320
effort to look into it

994
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,960
and as well so an entire book came out

995
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:27,000
actually two entire books worth of

996
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:28,680
information came out of that looking at

997
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:31,020
that one question and as a recall a

998
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,180
couple of trips as well there's uh you

999
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,400
know tons of beautiful pictures of of uh

1000
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:37,680
you and I know Isaac went with you on

1001
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:41,160
that one and uh you know scare breathing

1002
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:42,540
so far north

1003
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:45,720
um and being a scotch guy myself you got

1004
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:49,440
to think it's like you know like did do

1005
00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:51,480
they make their own Scotch is it like a

1006
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:53,420
Scarab Bray

1007
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,839
flavor or malt that that I just

1008
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,760
you know I'm more of a space side guy

1009
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,680
myself just uh and I know some people

1010
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:03,599
are more like eyelid you know that that

1011
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:05,220
that's that's besides the point the fact

1012
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:07,500
the fact is is that you know these types

1013
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,800
of interesting questions will crop up

1014
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:13,440
um and I know like I'm interested to

1015
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:14,760
hear

1016
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:18,359
you know like like how this kind of

1017
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:20,280
thing would like shed light on let's say

1018
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:23,099
the origins of life on Earth or you know

1019
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:27,060
what kind of uh yeah like even like what

1020
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,020
are you seeing as far as like

1021
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:30,599
Transformations from as you're seeing

1022
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:31,560
from

1023
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,220
energy to to an atom and I know that's

1024
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:37,440
going to lead into your your latest book

1025
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:38,339
release

1026
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:42,060
um but you know the the Emma and the

1027
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:44,339
spark of the universe is like when you

1028
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:45,900
had described it to me it just sounded

1029
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:49,020
so just fascinating and it's such such a

1030
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:50,760
some sort of a departure from your your

1031
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:52,619
usual work where you're dealing with

1032
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:55,079
symbolism and you know where this

1033
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,480
knowledge came from to hey let's start

1034
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,760
getting like some quantum physics and

1035
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:02,280
and you know the origins of of energy

1036
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:07,079
and matter uh which is is kind of

1037
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,500
it's my bag as it were okay if I had to

1038
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,760
characterize

1039
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,920
what the framers of the symbolism were

1040
00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:16,020
after

1041
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,359
they were trying to convey the idea

1042
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:20,160
first of all that

1043
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:22,859
these energetics are not brain surgery

1044
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:24,780
it's not rocket science

1045
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,660
that contrary to what modern religious

1046
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:30,720
religion tells us or what exoteric

1047
00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:33,180
public religion tells us exoteric

1048
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:35,000
Buddhism says

1049
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:37,260
these concepts of creation are

1050
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:40,020
ultimately unknowable don't even try

1051
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,020
you get to

1052
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:44,220
well as I was working through the

1053
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:47,400
symbolism I was increasingly seeing

1054
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,079
that

1055
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:51,599
the concepts were entirely knowable and

1056
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,400
the uh eventually discovered that

1057
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,220
esoteric Buddhism uh flatly says that

1058
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:58,920
this it says look folks we were we were

1059
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:01,800
fibbing about that unknowable stuff that

1060
00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:04,500
in fact this is all completely knowable

1061
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:06,980
what they're ultimately talking about is

1062
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,200
a handful of dynamics of energy that can

1063
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:11,940
be observed on any scale you want to

1064
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,579
look at whether it's the the quantum

1065
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,000
scale the atomic scale the

1066
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:20,520
um the scale of

1067
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,000
um everyday life the scale of the solar

1068
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,760
system the Scale of the Universe it's

1069
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,319
all the same dynamics of energy

1070
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:30,480
repeating in similar form over and over

1071
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:33,599
and over and over again and so all of

1072
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:36,780
these references are trying in a sort of

1073
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:39,780
a desperate attempt

1074
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:42,839
to get us to connect with that on

1075
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:44,280
whatever level we're capable of

1076
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,500
connecting to it on if it if we connect

1077
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:49,200
it through the idea of how a plant grows

1078
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:50,940
from a seed fine great if we're looking

1079
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:53,339
at that through it based on

1080
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,780
um the domains of the animal kingdom

1081
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:57,359
fine we'll do that if we can get to it

1082
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:58,619
through

1083
00:45:02,329 --> 00:45:00,359
um primordial states of matter like

1084
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,339
water fire wind Earth

1085
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,319
fine we'll get to it that way

1086
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,240
But ultimately what they're trying to

1087
00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:07,680
accomplish is

1088
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:11,819
to Define for us in unmistakable ways

1089
00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:15,540
the root nature of the energies involved

1090
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:22,309
and that same cluster of energy is

1091
00:45:27,950 --> 00:45:24,780
interacting in that same way they say

1092
00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:27,960
are responsible for the formation of

1093
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:31,319
matter the formation of the universe

1094
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:34,500
the creation of biological life and the

1095
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:36,599
creation of consciousness

1096
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:39,300
and understand anyone oh consequently

1097
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,700
okay what the dog can do is they're

1098
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,450
um a series of symbols

1099
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:48,900
a single series of symbols that

1100
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:51,060
simultaneously describe all four of

1101
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:52,619
those themes

1102
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,280
so every symbol has pertinence of

1103
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,800
meaning to each one of those themes for

1104
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,800
example if we're talking about

1105
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:02,940
biological life the shape of a

1106
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,920
hemisphere represents the expansion of

1107
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,200
the womb of a woman

1108
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:09,420
if we're talking about the formation of

1109
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,319
matter

1110
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:12,660
the symbol of a hemisphere represents

1111
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:16,079
the expansion of mass the before Mass

1112
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:18,660
particles are created

1113
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:21,240
so part of the reason why these symbols

1114
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:22,740
are so hard to get our arms around is

1115
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,839
because they move in so many different

1116
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:26,520
dimensional directions depending on what

1117
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:28,920
the context is and the meanings are are

1118
00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:31,740
similar from theme to theme

1119
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:35,099
and are parallel in terms of the how

1120
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:37,260
they play out in a series

1121
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:39,000
but there are different nuances of

1122
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:40,140
meaning depending on whether we're

1123
00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:41,640
talking about biology or whether we're

1124
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:43,619
talking about matter focus on

1125
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,859
you know I'm going to ask the um

1126
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:48,599
I'll ask the question because I know

1127
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:49,980
someone else out there is going to ask

1128
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:52,740
it how do we know that this is the case

1129
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:55,680
at least I would ask for at least one

1130
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:57,540
one example where you can step me

1131
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,220
through it how do we know it's the case

1132
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:01,440
where it's this is you know this is

1133
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,520
what's being represented versus the uh

1134
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:08,160
is circle must be Atlantis you know at

1135
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:10,380
least that fallacy that I that I am

1136
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,880
starting I'm gonna I'm gonna coin that

1137
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:12,960
one

1138
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,780
um like help help me to to at least

1139
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:17,220
understand and uh you know for the

1140
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:18,599
listeners out there

1141
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:22,440
to know how that uh you know how isn't

1142
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,359
just a leap of logic and that you've

1143
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,880
arrived at that at a you know in a way

1144
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:28,380
that that makes sense or at least will

1145
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:30,680
make sense to you know to me

1146
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,260
hopefully well it builds over time

1147
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:36,420
starting the starting point is really

1148
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:37,800
language

1149
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:40,859
okay now with the dog and dictionary we

1150
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:43,380
have an explicit statement of what each

1151
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:46,980
of the syllables represent okay so when

1152
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:50,040
we take a larger word that combines two

1153
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,660
or more of those syllables that means a

1154
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:54,300
particular thing we can directly

1155
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,819
demonstrate that

1156
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,560
that relates to the meaning of the

1157
00:48:01,550 --> 00:48:00,240
individual symbols it's very it's

1158
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:01,560
intuitive

1159
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:03,900
of course this means what the dog can

1160
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,880
say it means because it combines

1161
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,680
syllables that mean these two things and

1162
00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:09,599
add them together and you get that it's

1163
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:11,339
obvious

1164
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:13,020
now

1165
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:14,579
you can do the same thing with each of

1166
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,200
the individual symbols in the Egyptian

1167
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,660
hieroglyphic language I'll give you an

1168
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:20,640
example of how it works if I had had

1169
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,500
perfect knowledge before I started

1170
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:24,540
looking at hieroglyphs I would have

1171
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,000
saved myself a lot of trouble

1172
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:29,760
um there's a very simple ancient

1173
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:31,800
Egyptian word for the concept of a week

1174
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:34,380
as in days of the week

1175
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:37,079
it's written with two glyphs the first

1176
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:40,140
glyph is the sun glyph it's a circle

1177
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:41,880
with a dot in the middle of it and it

1178
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,220
can represent the concept of a day

1179
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,800
and the second lip is an upside down U

1180
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,680
which does the Egyptian number 10.

1181
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:51,920
so I looked at the word and I said

1182
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:55,200
symbolically that says to me 10 days

1183
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:57,060
and so I went and I did some research

1184
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,160
and discovered the ancient Egyptians

1185
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,740
observed a 10-day week

1186
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,780
oh my God I don't even know if I could

1187
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:06,060
deal with that like I could barely see

1188
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:06,920
him

1189
00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:10,319
the form of the word itself could be

1190
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:12,780
correct information to me about Egyptian

1191
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:14,099
culture that I didn't know before I

1192
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:15,720
looked at the word and I was able to

1193
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,220
confirm afterwards

1194
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,680
now you take it the next step and you go

1195
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:22,079
to ancient China and in their earliest

1196
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:24,359
form of symbolic language the word per

1197
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:26,220
week was written with the sun live which

1198
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:27,720
was originally around with a dot in the

1199
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,540
middle of it and they're number 10 and

1200
00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:32,520
they observed a 10-day week

1201
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:35,240
we have direct eye to eye comparability

1202
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:38,579
between Egyptian and Chinese hieroglyphs

1203
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:40,859
at that point in time at that level of

1204
00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:42,060
understanding

1205
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,220
you know for anybody out there a

1206
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,740
comments if your Wednesday was three

1207
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,240
days long if you would jump into the

1208
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:50,640
Nile you know let the crocodiles take

1209
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:53,700
you Friday is five days away and that

1210
00:49:56,770 --> 00:49:55,140
was four days away and that was three

1211
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:56,780
like how many

1212
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:58,980
well it's like I don't want to have my

1213
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:01,380
Mead and go build my pyramid with my

1214
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,960
friends yeah see they don't feel like

1215
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:05,700
you do they now celebrate a five day

1216
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:08,040
week oh that's very smart it's very

1217
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:09,119
Progressive

1218
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:13,980
okay okay so those are examples of how

1219
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:16,200
how it's possible to pin down the

1220
00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:18,420
meaning a precise meaning and objective

1221
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,700
meaning of what symbols are representing

1222
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:22,920
and what certain words are representing

1223
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:24,660
what certain phonetic values are

1224
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:26,220
representing so

1225
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,640
as you build those okay there's

1226
00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:31,800
another class of ancient Egyptian words

1227
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:34,619
where that symbolic sentence is followed

1228
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:37,260
by a glyph that is not pronounced

1229
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,960
and for the traditional egyptologists

1230
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,760
they say well that trading glyph is

1231
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:43,859
there for emphasis usually it has some

1232
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:46,740
beer some relationship to to the concept

1233
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:48,839
that the word expresses

1234
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,240
but I can see have it coming at it from

1235
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,280
the Dogan syllables and the way they

1236
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,920
work that the purpose of that word is to

1237
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,780
assign a meaning a symbolic meaning to

1238
00:51:02,510 --> 00:50:59,579
the trailing glyph

1239
00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:02,520
and so let's say that the word was

1240
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:04,200
defining the concept of a table with a

1241
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,059
picture of a table

1242
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:07,440
that I would expect to be able to go

1243
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,180
find ancient Egyptian words for table

1244
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,000
that are written with that same glyph

1245
00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:15,599
and I I know with the languages are

1246
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:19,319
different I know with Egyptian uh and at

1247
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:20,940
least with with dogon the way that it's

1248
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,460
being described it's not a phonetic

1249
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,040
language it's more of an allegorical

1250
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:29,099
language the the concept is supposed to

1251
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:30,780
be ingrained within the symbolism so

1252
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:32,220
that you understand the concept when you

1253
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,099
look at it it's not and I know depending

1254
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:36,720
on which you know whether you're talking

1255
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:38,760
Old Kingdom you Kingdom you know if it's

1256
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:41,880
protoscript or not I'm not 100 certain

1257
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,900
but

1258
00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:44,760
at least from what I can understand it's

1259
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:46,859
also it is also supposed to be a written

1260
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:50,280
language but it is also a a symbolic

1261
00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:52,200
language so the the metaphors and the

1262
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,300
concepts are conveyed in addition to the

1263
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,920
actual sound

1264
00:52:01,490 --> 00:51:58,140
um and again not not to try and make

1265
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:01,500
light of language too much but I would

1266
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:03,960
wonder in about 5 000 years if somebody

1267
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,480
looks at the word subtle and they see

1268
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:09,599
the B is silent what did that b

1269
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,440
represent yeah that's right no I I can

1270
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,960
see see you saying that but to have it

1271
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:18,480
work for one word is one thing

1272
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:20,280
to then be able to generalize that and

1273
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:21,900
say all words work that way is an

1274
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:25,319
entirely different thing okay

1275
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,200
so okay so these are some of the tools

1276
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:29,760
we have to work with

1277
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:32,520
to try to confirm meaning

1278
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:34,740
um now when it comes to talking about

1279
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:36,059
science

1280
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:37,740
the dogon are driving this they're the

1281
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:40,260
ones who are saying we have

1282
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:42,839
a concept of an atom called the poem we

1283
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:44,940
have a concept of protons and electrons

1284
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,220
that are Senate seeds they're describing

1285
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:48,960
their Concepts to me

1286
00:52:55,069 --> 00:52:52,619
and all I'm doing is having recognized

1287
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:55,079
that it looks like science to me I'm

1288
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,940
playing that game of show me the

1289
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,760
shortcut I'm testing each of the

1290
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:01,500
statements that Logan make

1291
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,859
about what they say is true against the

1292
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:06,720
actual science I go and find the guy who

1293
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:08,339
understands the science

1294
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,960
and who can explain it to me in plain

1295
00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:12,000
English and see how close his

1296
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,339
explanation is to what the dogen are

1297
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:16,800
saying it it's interesting to me that

1298
00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:20,280
the uh the symbol for the day is the

1299
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:24,119
circle with the one electron ends we

1300
00:53:30,109 --> 00:53:28,319
would or I'm an electric I I'm already

1301
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,119
striking up with what am I about to say

1302
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,640
uh that it's it's the circle within the

1303
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,319
dot within a circle which you know

1304
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:36,240
obviously within within you know even

1305
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:39,540
ancient Traditions is uh has its own

1306
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:41,160
symbolism or you know for the for the

1307
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:44,579
sun it could be for for many things I

1308
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,220
know it's it was used primarily uh in

1309
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:50,160
certain things for uh being able to draw

1310
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:51,720
a circle so that you can then Square it

1311
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:53,220
so you can then build something on top

1312
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:54,240
of it

1313
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,099
um right but the way that we look at it

1314
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:57,839
also and I'm bringing to mind dark

1315
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:00,780
Manhattan from uh you know from The

1316
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,300
Watchmen where his you know his his logo

1317
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,520
his symbol was the dot with the circle

1318
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:06,960
around it which is the symbol for

1319
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,099
hydrogen

1320
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,040
right now that's an additional

1321
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,380
complication here that has to be taken

1322
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,200
into consideration that

1323
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,960
every single every symbol in this

1324
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:20,880
tradition carries a cluster of meanings

1325
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:23,160
in fact every

1326
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:26,040
word carries a cluster of Minis

1327
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:27,240
now

1328
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,920
that might seem like it makes things

1329
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:31,020
difficult but in fact

1330
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:33,260
it facilitates

1331
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,420
correlations because those clusters of

1332
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,400
meanings and these These are discrete

1333
00:54:42,349 --> 00:54:40,619
meanings so that knowing the first

1334
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:42,359
meeting you can't automatically guess

1335
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,040
the secondary meetings

1336
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:46,980
they're they're not intuitively directly

1337
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:49,260
related to each other you can't just you

1338
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,520
couldn't a person the average person

1339
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,559
would not imagine the second third and

1340
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:53,760
fourth meetings will go with the first

1341
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:54,480
one

1342
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,280
so now you go to an entirely different

1343
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,800
language like Sanskrit and you discover

1344
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:01,680
even with different frenetics that the

1345
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,420
word that means the first thing also

1346
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:05,220
means the other four things

1347
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,660
you've got

1348
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:08,400
positive correlation between the words

1349
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:10,800
outside of the boundaries of etymology

1350
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:13,559
traditional etymology of language

1351
00:55:17,569 --> 00:55:15,180
that

1352
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:17,579
the problem with trying to compare words

1353
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:19,380
between languages is

1354
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:21,720
that there are only about 40 phonetic

1355
00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:24,540
values that are typically represented in

1356
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:25,859
a written language

1357
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:29,640
and so the chances of two cultures

1358
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:31,619
coincidentally representing the same

1359
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,240
idea with the same phonetic are very

1360
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,119
high it's too too easy for it to be

1361
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:38,280
coincidence but when you're not dealing

1362
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:39,540
with one meaning when you're dealing

1363
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:41,880
with a cluster of of discrete meanings

1364
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,280
and you have the match now you can say

1365
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,520
these came out of the same

1366
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,400
Source tradition these are related well

1367
00:55:55,069 --> 00:55:53,040
it could be from a proto-language

1368
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,079
um you know the the great great mother

1369
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,160
language as they say uh right

1370
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,839
if you can demonstrate in one of the

1371
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:02,880
languages like the Dublin language that

1372
00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:04,859
that's a cosmological language

1373
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:07,859
than what you just demonstrated is that

1374
00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:09,180
all those cultures that have those

1375
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:10,859
clutches or meanings

1376
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,319
uh are related to the cosmology that

1377
00:56:18,109 --> 00:56:15,540
goes way back which is one of the things

1378
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:18,119
I'm trying to demonstrate and like even

1379
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:19,559
when you have words like I think it's

1380
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:23,400
like like a mom or a mama is actually a

1381
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:25,859
word that has been used throughout human

1382
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,660
history for like the last 10 000 years

1383
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,760
and it's still used today so it's it's

1384
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:31,680
one of those you know the potential

1385
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:33,059
where even if it's going to be seen

1386
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,700
across multiple multiple cultures is it

1387
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:37,200
one of those base words because it's

1388
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:41,220
such an you know an intrinsic part of

1389
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,260
what The Human Experience on a

1390
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,839
day-to-day basis because it's one of the

1391
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:48,480
sounds that an infant can first make

1392
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:51,059
and so of course an infant's going to

1393
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,480
call mother and father mama or Dada in

1394
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:56,160
the dog language Dada is actually a name

1395
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:57,780
for the mother

1396
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:00,119
because that's the sound they're able to

1397
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,280
make and you have to be careful not to

1398
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,319
trip up with that but

1399
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:06,480
um another thing my my science teachers

1400
00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:08,040
taught was

1401
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:10,619
that

1402
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:17,280
in a thousand times it should happen we

1403
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:23,450
by the time you bump up against the

1404
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,559
third coincidence

1405
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,839
a good researcher needs to start to

1406
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,520
allow that something Beyond coincidence

1407
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:31,619
may be going on

1408
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,960
because the odds of getting three

1409
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:35,880
compounding coincidences are

1410
00:57:38,809 --> 00:57:37,020
astronomical

1411
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:38,819
what would be another example of this

1412
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:42,000
besides just the you know the day or or

1413
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,000
10 or the day and ten is it like have

1414
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:47,599
you been running into anything else

1415
00:57:51,890 --> 00:57:50,220
well we're working from the uh from the

1416
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:51,900
concept of the atom the token content of

1417
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:54,180
the atom that I've come across

1418
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:56,819
researchers who seem to have endless

1419
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,440
tolerance for coincidence it doesn't

1420
00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:00,480
matter how far down the scale you go and

1421
00:58:03,410 --> 00:58:02,040
you show what the Dogan are describing

1422
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,420
and drawing

1423
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:06,000
matches what a Stephen Hawking or Brian

1424
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:09,480
Greene is describing and drawing

1425
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:12,839
item item item item item item at some

1426
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:14,760
point down that scale any reasonable

1427
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:16,680
researcher is going to say

1428
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:18,660
this can't possibly still be coincidence

1429
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:21,960
the the odds are so impossible there's

1430
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:23,460
something else going on here besides

1431
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:25,740
coincidence

1432
00:58:30,589 --> 00:58:29,040
and how are you attributing attributing

1433
00:58:32,829 --> 00:58:30,599
this coincidence like is it coming from

1434
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:32,839
in your opinion a like a source location

1435
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,260
are we talking uh you know an even older

1436
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:39,599
more ancient culture than what we what

1437
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:42,960
we have uh that we're seeing how what's

1438
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,220
your position on this

1439
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,500
uh again it's not my position it's a

1440
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:48,240
position of the cultures the Dogan are

1441
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,180
saying that in ancient times a group of

1442
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:53,040
teachers who thoroughly understood the

1443
00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:53,940
science

1444
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:58,849
and

1445
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:00,900
Buddhism says the same thing Buddhism

1446
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:03,180
flatly states that

1447
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:05,400
the most quote unquote most sacred

1448
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,980
symbols of the Buddhist tradition are

1449
00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:09,960
deemed to have been given gifted to

1450
00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:18,109
you know this uh is this like are we

1451
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:19,319
talking

1452
00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:21,480
are they saying this is like a non-human

1453
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:23,220
source is this like something that

1454
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:26,099
there's that they're getting from uh you

1455
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:28,500
know from extraterrestrial is it extra

1456
00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:30,839
dimensional is it something that they're

1457
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:32,900
you know that they're receiving from

1458
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:35,220
sources through some type of

1459
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:36,839
psychoactive substance that they're

1460
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:38,460
ingesting that they're that they're

1461
00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:39,780
pulling this from let's say the you know

1462
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:42,660
the the ether as it were okay in

1463
00:59:46,210 --> 00:59:44,700
regarding this I'm going to Marty McFly

1464
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:46,220
you here

1465
00:59:52,609 --> 00:59:50,760
it's it's been a while so okay

1466
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:52,619
at bottom of what's going on here with

1467
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,740
energy at the bottom is

1468
00:59:59,809 --> 00:59:58,079
a dynamic that moves energy okay we have

1469
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:59,819
two two qualities of energy we have

1470
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:01,799
magnetism and electricity

1471
01:00:06,010 --> 01:00:04,260
that are in a dimensional relationship

1472
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:06,020
with each other they express themselves

1473
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,020
perpendicularly to each other okay

1474
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:12,000
in any given circumstance what's going

1475
01:00:18,410 --> 01:00:14,940
on with the Continuum of energy is it's

1476
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:18,420
moving from a state where magnetism is

1477
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,240
dormant and electricity is unresisted

1478
01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:23,819
it's called superconductivity

1479
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:25,619
to a state where the reverse of that is

1480
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:28,680
true where magnetism is unresisted and

1481
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,660
the electricity is

1482
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:32,160
um dormant that's called super

1483
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:34,680
insulation and it oscillates back and

1484
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:40,670
um

1485
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:47,270
the

1486
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:53,280
of what's changing As you move along

1487
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:55,079
that continuum

1488
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:57,000
is

1489
01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:58,740
your

1490
01:01:03,049 --> 01:01:00,839
okay if you're moving from from where

1491
01:01:04,609 --> 01:01:03,059
magnetism is not measurable to where

1492
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:04,619
it's dominant

1493
01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:07,020
then you're progressively increasing

1494
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:08,460
magnetism As you move across the

1495
01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:09,480
continuum

1496
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:12,059
and when you increase magnetism you're

1497
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:14,940
also increasing mass and Einstein says

1498
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:17,520
when you increase Mass you slow the pace

1499
01:01:24,589 --> 01:01:22,069
now in the Dogan and the Egyptian

1500
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,599
conception

1501
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:26,640
over the course of that Continuum as

1502
01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:29,460
you're slowing down the pace of time

1503
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:32,099
there are a couple of things going on

1504
01:01:35,569 --> 01:01:33,900
um

1505
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,579
one of the critical things that's going

1506
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:38,280
on is that every so often the energy

1507
01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:40,380
hits a resonance point

1508
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:45,000
and you end up with 14 separate domains

1509
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,180
of energy being outlined across that

1510
01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:50,160
Continuum that's actually the same thing

1511
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,740
that scientists document with when they

1512
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:55,280
lay out the electromagnetic spectrum

1513
01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:58,260
they they conceptualize it in terms of

1514
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:02,520
14 domains of of wavelength

1515
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:05,160
same concept the dog would have

1516
01:02:10,490 --> 01:02:08,099
now in Buddhism

1517
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:10,500
sorry in Hinduism

1518
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:18,049
those two Energies

1519
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:21,180
when they interact with each other

1520
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:23,160
the natural I gotta say this the natural

1521
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:24,780
attributes of those energies create

1522
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:26,760
things that are important to us the

1523
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:28,760
ratio between

1524
01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:31,319
magnetism and electricity is the speed

1525
01:02:35,630 --> 01:02:33,059
of light it doesn't change with

1526
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:35,640
wavelength the ratio stays the same the

1527
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:37,020
speed of light is a concept because

1528
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:40,380
there's a constant because it's a

1529
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:43,040
natural ratio between those two Energies

1530
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:46,020
the natural oscillation between those

1531
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,460
two energies is the metronome of time

1532
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:51,839
however

1533
01:02:55,849 --> 01:02:53,940
as you're expanding wavelength As you

1534
01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:55,859
move out you're slowing down that

1535
01:02:59,809 --> 01:02:58,260
metronome it's going slower and slower

1536
01:03:03,170 --> 01:02:59,819
and slower and slower

1537
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,180
now we can demonstrate intuitively that

1538
01:03:06,349 --> 01:03:05,280
that's what might be going on in the

1539
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,359
universe

1540
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:08,220
in a couple of really simple ways one

1541
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:09,420
way is

1542
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,920
the scientists look with their

1543
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:13,440
telescopes out into the expanses of the

1544
01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:15,540
universe the further out they go the

1545
01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:17,940
older the structures are that they see

1546
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,280
and they've discovered that the further

1547
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:21,839
out they go

1548
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,020
the faster things are moving

1549
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,480
and so they're postulating that there

1550
01:03:32,089 --> 01:03:30,480
must be some dark energy capable of

1551
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:32,099
pushing the universe in all directions

1552
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,599
in such a way that it continues to

1553
01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:35,520
accelerate it more and more and more and

1554
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:37,140
more the Doberman is saying no that's

1555
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:38,520
not what's happening what's happening is

1556
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:41,579
we're seeing the consequence of the

1557
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:44,280
slowing of our own time frame over time

1558
01:03:49,849 --> 01:03:47,579
the further out we look we're seeing

1559
01:03:51,950 --> 01:03:49,859
domains where time ran quicker than it

1560
01:03:54,970 --> 01:03:51,960
does for us because our domain is more

1561
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:57,049
to answer your question about the

1562
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:58,740
teachers

1563
01:04:02,569 --> 01:04:01,319
Hinduism Associates those same domains

1564
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:02,579
with levels of consciousness

1565
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,480
Consciousness is okay

1566
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:08,700
back up again here

1567
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,460
if you look at it at a scene with When I

1568
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:13,920
close you get a 2d perspective on it and

1569
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:15,900
most people

1570
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,119
automatically by being able to reconcile

1571
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:23,520
two slightly differing views of the same

1572
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:26,819
thing it produces a 3D image not a 2D

1573
01:04:31,630 --> 01:04:29,280
image it's a natural effect of the two

1574
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:31,640
perspectives

1575
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:34,500
Consciousness is treated as or the

1576
01:04:39,549 --> 01:04:36,599
potential for Consciousness is treated

1577
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:39,559
as the natural consequence of

1578
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:42,359
reconciling the two energy what happens

1579
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:44,819
in terms of the two Energies

1580
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:48,000
that magnetism Consciousness is the

1581
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:49,500
ability to take a thing and overview

1582
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,540
break it down into its components

1583
01:04:56,690 --> 01:04:54,480
conceptually and build it back up again

1584
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:56,700
magnetism provides us with the overview

1585
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,280
perspective electricity provides us with

1586
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,200
a detail linear perspective

1587
01:05:05,809 --> 01:05:03,920
and we can't do both at the same time

1588
01:05:08,089 --> 01:05:05,819
when we look at the thing in overview

1589
01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:08,099
it's a very quick middle action when we

1590
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:10,200
try to examine it and break it down in

1591
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:13,559
into units it's a very slow interaction

1592
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:15,000
and we can't be looking thinking about

1593
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,260
the Overview at the same time we're

1594
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:18,480
thinking about the the

1595
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,299
um sequential elements of it it's a

1596
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:23,520
natural aspect of perception so the

1597
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:25,260
Dogan are saying that oh sorry the

1598
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:27,299
Hindus are saying that each of those

1599
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:31,200
domains of energy coincides with

1600
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:33,900
a level of consciousness

1601
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:35,640
that each has the same potential for

1602
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,319
Consciousness we do because it's

1603
01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:40,319
interacting with the same energy

1604
01:05:49,010 --> 01:05:46,370
the materialization of anything is a

1605
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:49,020
phase transition it's a consequence of

1606
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:51,000
slowing down the pace of time in the

1607
01:05:56,030 --> 01:05:53,220
same way that the phase transition from

1608
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,040
liquid water to ice is a consequence of

1609
01:06:00,349 --> 01:05:58,559
slowing down or of lowering the

1610
01:06:02,270 --> 01:06:00,359
temperature and slowing down the motion

1611
01:06:04,130 --> 01:06:02,280
of the molecules of the water

1612
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:04,140
and automatically by slowing those

1613
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:05,940
molecules you can get the thing to

1614
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:12,770
we have according to the this um this

1615
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:15,540
system rests on uh philosophy called

1616
01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:17,940
samka that comes out of India that's a

1617
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:20,940
companion to yoga samka says universes

1618
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,220
form in pairs

1619
01:06:26,930 --> 01:06:25,440
one more energetic and one more material

1620
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:26,940
and there's a

1621
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:29,940
a cycle of energy that flows between the

1622
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,640
universes that's shifting energy and

1623
01:06:38,809 --> 01:06:35,520
mass from one to the other the same way

1624
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:38,819
that an hourglass shifts sand from the

1625
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:41,700
top lobe into the bottom

1626
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:44,220
the the conversations we had are just

1627
01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:46,380
starting to flood back now like oh yeah

1628
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:49,319
we've talked about this before okay now

1629
01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:50,940
what you're doing with the energy is

1630
01:06:58,250 --> 01:06:55,160
you're slowing the pace of time and

1631
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:58,260
uh just as with The Hourglass you know

1632
01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:59,400
there's a point in the middle of the

1633
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:01,079
cycle of The Hourglass where you have

1634
01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:03,180
the same amount of sand in the top Globe

1635
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,859
as you have in the bottom one

1636
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:06,960
now if we were talking about differences

1637
01:07:11,710 --> 01:07:08,940
in energy or differences in Pace of time

1638
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:11,720
what you have at that moment is

1639
01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:15,420
Equalization of the two time frames

1640
01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:17,940
the dogans say at that point in the

1641
01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:18,900
cycle

1642
01:07:22,970 --> 01:07:20,700
it's no different than equalizing

1643
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:22,980
pressure underwater from a submarine or

1644
01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:27,000
in space from a space station if you can

1645
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:29,160
equalize the pressures it's now safe to

1646
01:07:33,529 --> 01:07:30,900
move from your domain into the other

1647
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,539
domain and they're saying that's what

1648
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:35,760
their teachers did that at that point in

1649
01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:38,640
the cycle around 3600 BC about the point

1650
01:07:42,829 --> 01:07:40,920
at the Hebrew calendar starts

1651
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:42,839
that their teachers were able to take

1652
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:45,920
material form and interact

1653
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,119
one-on-one but that's real time everyday

1654
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:50,160
life interaction

1655
01:07:57,890 --> 01:07:56,510
I'll ask the age-old question

1656
01:08:02,930 --> 01:07:57,900
why

1657
01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:02,940
always a

1658
01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:04,859
um yeah what's the most what's the

1659
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,140
motivation you're not gonna like the

1660
01:08:11,809 --> 01:08:09,599
explanation here but this is why

1661
01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:11,819
with that cycle of energy that cycle of

1662
01:08:16,669 --> 01:08:13,319
energy

1663
01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:16,679
um also relates directly to the sleep

1664
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,610
um but it relates more directly to the

1665
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:24,480
sleep cycle of a dolphin than it does to

1666
01:08:27,849 --> 01:08:26,460
us a dolphin

1667
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:27,859
experiences something called

1668
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,699
unihemispheric sleep

1669
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:31,199
that's what keeps a dolphin from

1670
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:32,940
drowning well half of its brain goes to

1671
01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:36,000
sleep while the other half remains away

1672
01:08:40,729 --> 01:08:39,060
now we know that at the depth of the

1673
01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:40,739
sleep cycle

1674
01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:42,660
that

1675
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:45,960
the brain is very active but all action

1676
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,640
has been inhibited to stop you from

1677
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:49,920
acting out what you're dreaming during

1678
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,500
the rem's sleep cycle

1679
01:08:56,150 --> 01:08:54,420
these energetics work the same way

1680
01:08:57,890 --> 01:08:56,160
what's happening is

1681
01:09:03,910 --> 01:08:57,900
that

1682
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:03,920
less material more and more energetic

1683
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:06,120
suddenly comes to realize that where

1684
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:08,460
it's headed to is a place that's very

1685
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,130
Blair you still with us I think I think

1686
01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:18,239
Laird froze

1687
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:20,420
oh reconnecting

1688
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,490
they always freeze

1689
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,660
when it's like it's like you know taking

1690
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:32,640
a bad photo like you blink

1691
01:09:42,590 --> 01:09:38,870
yep you know I think let's

1692
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:44,990
I have to get layered back on

1693
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,050
um

1694
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,520
display capture

1695
01:10:02,330 --> 01:09:59,330
video capture device

1696
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:02,340
create a new one

1697
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:03,480
we'll go

1698
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,890
are we on no I am

1699
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:14,930
all right give me a second everybody let

1700
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:16,620
me let me see if I can just get layered

1701
01:10:21,229 --> 01:10:18,780
back here I think his internet may have

1702
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:21,239
cut out and that happens from time to

1703
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:35,270
[Music]

1704
01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:36,840
all right let's see if we can get it

1705
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:04,790
all right

1706
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:06,830
ah okay

1707
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:11,520
all right well let's see all right so

1708
01:11:15,290 --> 01:11:13,800
Laird's wife has informed me that

1709
01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:15,300
Larry's trying to reconnect so I'm

1710
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:16,980
guessing it's possible as Wi-Fi is out

1711
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,900
for some reason my camera is not even

1712
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:20,400
working

1713
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,140
let's see if I can get that to configure

1714
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:32,750
why is this happening now

1715
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:34,370
all right bear with me here I know it's

1716
01:11:39,229 --> 01:11:37,380
been a while this is the same old camera

1717
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:39,239
that I had before I may actually pull my

1718
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:42,360
this is the the CEO 930 that I've had

1719
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,340
since forever and I know it's one that

1720
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,080
I've always had issues with

1721
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:48,480
uh so I don't have any video coming in

1722
01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:51,600
right now and I'm not even sure why I

1723
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:57,530
let's configure crossbar configure video

1724
01:12:02,030 --> 01:12:00,480
activate an active

1725
01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:02,040
there we go

1726
01:12:10,910 --> 01:12:03,719
is it working

1727
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,850
I said

1728
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:16,930
I'm not saying it was aliens but

1729
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:19,140
all right let me see if I can reset this

1730
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:22,020
transmit preset transform there we go

1731
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:26,810
all right we're gonna see if we can get

1732
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:34,189
so uh you know

1733
01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:36,900
at least you know for this segment I'm I

1734
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,699
know that for the interview segments

1735
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,840
we're not only going to be doing them

1736
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:40,800
for about

1737
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:42,900
an hour and a half

1738
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:45,659
so I'd love to be able to see what

1739
01:12:48,890 --> 01:12:47,340
questions everyone has so once we can

1740
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,900
get layer back on we can start asking

1741
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:51,360
him uh there was a few that we had

1742
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:52,980
received from

1743
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:54,179
um you know let's say William from way

1744
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:57,480
back uh earlier on in the episode I may

1745
01:13:05,930 --> 01:13:03,470
but

1746
01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:05,940
if anyone has any if they can throw that

1747
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:09,780
back in and we can we can uh

1748
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:13,440
we can ask Laird or

1749
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:15,300
oh you see he's going to go try it a

1750
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:22,250
you know it technical difficulties have

1751
01:13:29,229 --> 01:13:25,500
always been a staple of this show I

1752
01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:29,239
gotta say it's been quite some time

1753
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:32,340
and even with things like you know the

1754
01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:33,960
camera at a very very low frame rate

1755
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,699
which doesn't make any sense whatsoever

1756
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:37,679
yeah I think I'm going to pull my other

1757
01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:40,500
webcam in for my for my other office and

1758
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,179
see if I can get some some better

1759
01:13:46,729 --> 01:13:43,920
picture out of that or if anyone's got

1760
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,739
any suggestions for a good webcam for

1761
01:13:50,689 --> 01:13:48,480
streaming it's been a while since I've

1762
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:50,699
been in the games so

1763
01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:53,400
you know this kind of gear upgrade may

1764
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:55,980
be an order depending on depending on

1765
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:57,960
what the other camera does I always

1766
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:00,960
thought the other camera the 920 always

1767
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,820
brought the Reds out of the chair a lot

1768
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:04,800
better and and the blacks tended to be a

1769
01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:07,920
lot deeper whereas with this one it just

1770
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:09,659
gets really choppy whether it's in dark

1771
01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:11,219
light or in highlight even though it's

1772
01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:13,620
supposed to be the You Know Carl Zeiss

1773
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,330
uh Michael if you can retype it because

1774
01:14:27,729 --> 01:14:24,960
I'm not sure where in the chat stream

1775
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:27,739
and we've had a very active chat tonight

1776
01:14:35,689 --> 01:14:31,320
and oh let's see we might be able to

1777
01:14:35,699 --> 01:14:41,270
foreign

1778
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:55,430
[Music]

1779
01:15:04,010 --> 01:14:58,310
do we have

1780
01:15:05,149 --> 01:15:04,020
Laird can you hear me

1781
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:05,159
oh

1782
01:15:08,090 --> 01:15:06,719
let's see I'm going to turn the camera

1783
01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:08,100
off here

1784
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:10,679
so you go back to the original scene

1785
01:15:28,910 --> 01:15:17,630
and back on

1786
01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:31,729
layered are you with us

1787
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:34,140
have you come in from that void

1788
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:41,330
foreign to set this back up again so I

1789
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:44,280
got that defaults

1790
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:54,050
all right

1791
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:55,199
um let's

1792
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,030
all right later I can see that you've

1793
01:16:15,130 --> 01:16:04,560
connected but I can't I can't hear you

1794
01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:17,930
there we go

1795
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:21,000
Larry are you with us

1796
01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:24,480
um I'm trying oh we can I can hear you

1797
01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:28,020
you can hear me I don't have video

1798
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:29,699
okay

1799
01:16:39,169 --> 01:16:32,159
um let me see here

1800
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:41,510
oh there we go there you go I think I'm

1801
01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:42,480
coming up

1802
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:52,910
thank you Raisa

1803
01:17:01,729 --> 01:16:56,990
yeah can you hear me I can hear you fine

1804
01:17:01,739 --> 01:17:05,510
click up Arrow

1805
01:17:13,250 --> 01:17:07,250
camera

1806
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:17,090
can you see me I cannot

1807
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:20,159
no click on the Arrow not the picture

1808
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:22,920
see the cool part of everyone out there

1809
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,900
um I'm intending to actually stream

1810
01:17:30,050 --> 01:17:26,400
these and then I'm going to download

1811
01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:30,060
them edit them and then repost them

1812
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:32,460
because apparently live streams are not

1813
01:17:38,450 --> 01:17:36,480
very good for the algorithm so uh nice

1814
01:17:41,209 --> 01:17:38,460
to meet you here

1815
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,219
um Chris I'm going to sign out of Skype

1816
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:43,440
and sign back in and try again okay not

1817
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:55,990
see that's

1818
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,930
hearing this right

1819
01:17:59,940 --> 01:18:03,229
all right let's see if I can

1820
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:09,950
if anyone knows a good joke

1821
01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:11,510
all right well at least in the meantime

1822
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:13,620
I know while while Laird is signing out

1823
01:18:16,970 --> 01:18:15,780
and signing back in

1824
01:18:18,669 --> 01:18:16,980
um

1825
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:18,679
somewhat

1826
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:21,360
parallel to this and I'm going to bring

1827
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:24,960
up you know the latest advancements in

1828
01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:27,179
in AI technology has has anyone been

1829
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:33,530
at all because I have to say it's like

1830
01:18:37,790 --> 01:18:35,600
four

1831
01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:37,800
any of the

1832
01:18:40,729 --> 01:18:38,520
um

1833
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:40,739
running a podcast is a lot of work and I

1834
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:43,140
got I got to say uh with with things

1835
01:18:47,090 --> 01:18:44,420
like you know

1836
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,100
GPT or any of the

1837
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,199
uh you know any of the advancements that

1838
01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:52,080
we've seen out of yeah

1839
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:54,060
but because I didn't have a video

1840
01:19:01,130 --> 01:18:58,970
capture

1841
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:01,140
see it layered okay we got you

1842
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:03,900
and my camera I think is off

1843
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:06,060
so I'm gonna bring my camera back on can

1844
01:19:11,450 --> 01:19:08,760
you see me I can see fine I'm I'm off

1845
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:11,460
camera unfortunately

1846
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,960
let's see if we can unplug my camera a

1847
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:17,030
all right

1848
01:19:21,950 --> 01:19:18,719
ah

1849
01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:24,470
there we go

1850
01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:26,219
and I'll do this okay finally sorry

1851
01:19:40,610 --> 01:19:35,570
okay we were talking about

1852
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,620
motive was for the non-material to want

1853
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:42,480
to teach us

1854
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,420
the motive is something called lock-in

1855
01:19:50,689 --> 01:19:47,760
syndrome for a person there's a

1856
01:19:52,490 --> 01:19:50,699
situation where a person can look brain

1857
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,500
dead from the outside but actually be

1858
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,760
conscious

1859
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:55,679
and it's a horrific State it's like

1860
01:20:01,850 --> 01:19:59,280
being buried alive there's a famous uh

1861
01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:01,860
book called the diving bell and the

1862
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:03,060
Butterfly that was written by a

1863
01:20:07,310 --> 01:20:05,580
Frenchman who had locked in syndrome and

1864
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:07,320
uh after a very long period of time

1865
01:20:11,570 --> 01:20:09,960
managed to convince his Aid that he was

1866
01:20:13,610 --> 01:20:11,580
actually still in there he could blink

1867
01:20:15,410 --> 01:20:13,620
his eyes and so she set up a system

1868
01:20:18,050 --> 01:20:15,420
where he could indicate Letters by

1869
01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:18,060
blinking his eyes at the right time and

1870
01:20:21,169 --> 01:20:20,280
he wrote an entire book one letter at a

1871
01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:21,179
time

1872
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,460
I remember that story it happens with

1873
01:20:28,209 --> 01:20:25,199
the non-material is the non-material

1874
01:20:30,770 --> 01:20:28,219
realizes that at the end of half cycle

1875
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:30,780
it's going to be in a state that's

1876
01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:33,540
equivalent of lock-in syndrome for a

1877
01:20:42,649 --> 01:20:40,910
now as I said that's the equivalent of

1878
01:20:45,229 --> 01:20:42,659
being buried alive unless you have

1879
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,239
someone who knows you're there

1880
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:47,580
and unfortunately at the same stage in

1881
01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:50,640
the cycle when the non-material

1882
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:53,100
is at its least material

1883
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:55,320
the material side is at its most

1884
01:21:00,290 --> 01:20:57,600
material which is furthest distance from

1885
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,300
any perception of non-materiality at all

1886
01:21:05,050 --> 01:21:03,120
that's where we're at right now

1887
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:05,060
so

1888
01:21:09,770 --> 01:21:06,900
non-materiality during the middle of the

1889
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:09,780
cycle steps through and tries to set up

1890
01:21:14,209 --> 01:21:11,699
a structure for Society for Humanity

1891
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,219
that has the hope of retaining knowledge

1892
01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:16,080
and the fact that the non-material

1893
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,699
Consciousness is there

1894
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:19,920
so that when it's locked in it'll have

1895
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:23,520
Patriots to take action and to respond

1896
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:25,080
to it

1897
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:28,320
like the aid wood for the guy

1898
01:21:34,090 --> 01:21:32,580
so is this for them specifically or does

1899
01:21:38,689 --> 01:21:34,100
this happen on our

1900
01:21:47,689 --> 01:21:38,699
yeah now is this from our side as well

1901
01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:50,149
can you can hear me later

1902
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:57,850
if

1903
01:22:02,750 --> 01:22:00,300
now is this

1904
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:02,760
um from their side specifically and only

1905
01:22:06,890 --> 01:22:05,760
their side or do we have this uh this

1906
01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:06,900
side as well

1907
01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:14,930
say I think

1908
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,729
um it's a cycle

1909
01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:18,719
so

1910
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:21,420
all we're alternating

1911
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:24,840
roles over a recruit of 25 000 years we

1912
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:26,940
play alternating rules

1913
01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:28,980
so we're at our most material right now

1914
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:30,840
12 000 years from now will be the

1915
01:22:39,370 --> 01:22:36,890
well how will we know that we're going

1916
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:39,380
to be the non-material like do we have

1917
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,880
I'm going to say we don't have history

1918
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:43,440
that goes back that far necessarily

1919
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:46,560
although we do have extensive records of

1920
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,120
anything from fossils to tools to uh you

1921
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:52,800
know cave paintings like there there is

1922
01:22:58,370 --> 01:22:55,920
human history that's gone back that far

1923
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:58,380
um how how do we like are we looking at

1924
01:23:03,050 --> 01:23:01,440
non-material compared to them but we're

1925
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:03,060
still kind of existing like how does

1926
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:05,820
that work if we have uh you know

1927
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:08,040
continuous uh you know continuous

1928
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:09,719
existence or records of continuous

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01:23:14,219 --> 01:23:17,149
I

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01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:41,090
Mr lady makes it hard okay

1931
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,130
now lyric are you listening on the delay

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01:23:49,010 --> 01:23:45,840
for the stream or are you listening in

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01:24:13,490 --> 01:23:50,930
um

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01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:16,970
Chris background video

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01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:20,580
okay I think uh Laird may have been

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01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:22,140
listening in through the YouTube stream

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01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:23,640
which I know is going to be delayed by

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01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:26,820
about 30 seconds to a minute so I know

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01:24:29,810 --> 01:24:28,140
that that can be quite difficult if

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01:24:32,030 --> 01:24:29,820
that's the case

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01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:32,040
um although I have to say is I'm pretty

1942
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:35,280
interested to see exactly what's uh you

1943
01:24:38,330 --> 01:24:36,719
know what that position is because I

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01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,340
know from

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01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:40,800
you know if there's 20 the 25 000 year

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01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:43,860
cycle if we're immaterial versus their

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01:24:49,010 --> 01:24:46,980
immaterial is it you know kind of like a

1948
01:24:52,669 --> 01:24:49,020
like how how is that determined are we

1949
01:24:55,070 --> 01:24:52,679
immaterial but still actually within

1950
01:24:56,450 --> 01:24:55,080
physical within our own realm or not you

1951
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,460
know those kinds of things are are

1952
01:25:03,530 --> 01:24:58,560
fairly interesting from from even from a

1953
01:25:17,209 --> 01:25:05,990
let's

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01:25:22,010 --> 01:25:19,430
all right so we'll bring

1955
01:25:25,550 --> 01:25:22,020
layered back on in about 30 seconds I

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01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:39,830
yeah my camera's frozen on that one

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01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,810
properties

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01:25:46,430 --> 01:25:43,679
see

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01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,440
activate and activate is that working

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01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:48,480
there we go

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01:25:55,790 --> 01:25:54,410
it's kind of the thing was like with

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01:25:58,370 --> 01:25:55,800
this camera if

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01:26:02,030 --> 01:25:58,380
every single time I switch between OBS

1964
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,040
and the camera I basically have to

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01:26:05,629 --> 01:26:04,320
unplug the camera plug it back in

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01:26:07,790 --> 01:26:05,639
these are the things that at least a

1967
01:26:10,129 --> 01:26:07,800
good Shakedown of the new studio is a

1968
01:26:12,729 --> 01:26:10,139
good idea to check out because you know

1969
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:12,739
I have it attached to the front of my my

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01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,360
workstation down here

1971
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,760
um but if if we're if we're in the back

1972
01:26:21,770 --> 01:26:19,920
of the the computer every single time I

1973
01:26:23,629 --> 01:26:21,780
did this I'd have to literally crawl

1974
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:23,639
under the desk disconnect it and

1975
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:26,100
reconnect it I'm I'm definitely going to

1976
01:26:29,570 --> 01:26:27,600
bring this one to the office and bring

1977
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:29,580
my other one back that one was a little

1978
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,280
more reliable this one's just too this

1979
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:44,930
I don't see if I can bring layer back in

1980
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:47,930
one more try there we go layered so

1981
01:26:52,970 --> 01:26:50,159
um I'm I'm gonna bring you back in

1982
01:26:55,010 --> 01:26:52,980
although I'm going to

1983
01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:55,020
see we're gonna have you full screen and

1984
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:56,820
I'm going to you won't be able to see me

1985
01:27:02,570 --> 01:27:00,480
necessarily uh okay like we'll do this

1986
01:27:04,729 --> 01:27:02,580
old school where I have like

1987
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:04,739
my video like my

1988
01:27:09,169 --> 01:27:07,440
camera on now the problem the problem

1989
01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:09,179
was on our end if for some reason my

1990
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:12,060
Chromebook lost Wi-Fi when our our PC

1991
01:27:17,689 --> 01:27:14,280
didn't

1992
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:17,699
oh that's that's annoying technology

1993
01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:20,460
what are you going to do so we're going

1994
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:21,719
to do this old school where I'm going to

1995
01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:24,000
have you on the big screen and I'm just

1996
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,900
going to be kind of kind of floating

1997
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:26,400
here so you'll be able to see me on the

1998
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,199
stream okay but uh uh you know on on

1999
01:27:37,129 --> 01:27:33,600
Skype apparently with this camera I

2000
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:37,139
can't have both OBS and Skype going at

2001
01:27:42,110 --> 01:27:38,699
the same time

2002
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:42,120
right so you know blame Logitech for

2003
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,960
that one

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01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:44,159
so

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01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:47,639
um where where were we yes okay we were

2006
01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:49,260
talking about

2007
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:51,719
um the motivation for non-materiality to

2008
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:54,120
teach us and so

2009
01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:00,470
a very structured Society at about 9000

2010
01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:02,940
BC

2011
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,340
and we have an esoteric tradition that

2012
01:28:09,709 --> 01:28:07,800
is essentially

2013
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:09,719
um

2014
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,120
it's an interview process it's selecting

2015
01:28:16,189 --> 01:28:13,920
people who

2016
01:28:18,290 --> 01:28:16,199
um are able to learn the mode of

2017
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,300
communication between the symbolic mode

2018
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,400
of communication between

2019
01:28:25,370 --> 01:28:23,040
um the non-material Consciousness and us

2020
01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:25,380
that the whole relationship between the

2021
01:28:32,209 --> 01:28:28,199
initiate and the informant in the

2022
01:28:34,430 --> 01:28:32,219
esoteric tradition is repeated practice

2023
01:28:36,770 --> 01:28:34,440
in that mode of communication that that

2024
01:28:37,810 --> 01:28:36,780
the informant is not allowed to initiate

2025
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:37,820
anything

2026
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:42,000
the initiate is responsible for asking

2027
01:28:46,669 --> 01:28:43,440
the next question

2028
01:28:49,129 --> 01:28:46,679
and if it's an appropriate question the

2029
01:28:52,129 --> 01:28:49,139
informant is required to give the

2030
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:52,139
initiate a truthful answer

2031
01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:54,120
if it's not an appropriate question the

2032
01:28:57,649 --> 01:28:55,620
the informant is required to remain

2033
01:29:00,590 --> 01:28:57,659
silent

2034
01:29:02,090 --> 01:29:00,600
and so the hope is that by the end of

2035
01:29:04,370 --> 01:29:02,100
the cycle down through the generations

2036
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,380
that the structure will be coherent

2037
01:29:08,030 --> 01:29:06,960
enough to retain a group of people in

2038
01:29:10,850 --> 01:29:08,040
the world

2039
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:10,860
who in all sorts of different ways are

2040
01:29:15,770 --> 01:29:12,900
are still able to connect to the

2041
01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:15,780
non-material consciousness

2042
01:29:21,890 --> 01:29:18,600
okay and if

2043
01:29:23,870 --> 01:29:21,900
you know this at least for them like how

2044
01:29:26,810 --> 01:29:23,880
many times has this happened according

2045
01:29:29,330 --> 01:29:26,820
to the dogon endlessly it's an it's a

2046
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:29,340
repeat recurring cycle it's

2047
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:31,500
um the metaphor is to the natural water

2048
01:29:36,890 --> 01:29:34,800
cycle but as you get to the bottom of

2049
01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:36,900
how the energetics work you realize that

2050
01:29:40,129 --> 01:29:38,940
it's not a metaphor that the energy

2051
01:29:42,110 --> 01:29:40,139
works

2052
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,120
according to the same pattern as the

2053
01:29:47,410 --> 01:29:44,639
natural water cycle now if our universe

2054
01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:47,420
is supposed to last for you know

2055
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:50,580
trillions of years if we're talking heat

2056
01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:52,860
death of the universe or you know a big

2057
01:29:56,990 --> 01:29:55,380
crunch uh you know or if there's heat

2058
01:29:59,870 --> 01:29:57,000
death and then it you know something

2059
01:30:02,810 --> 01:29:59,880
happens and we go back into you know a

2060
01:30:06,410 --> 01:30:02,820
big Bang's uh type of scenario

2061
01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:06,420
um like is this looked at as more of our

2062
01:30:12,649 --> 01:30:09,960
time is uh going much faster than theirs

2063
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:12,659
is it kind of like ours is going faster

2064
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:14,280
than theirs but theirs is going faster

2065
01:30:20,810 --> 01:30:18,719
than ours but somehow it's you know kind

2066
01:30:22,729 --> 01:30:20,820
of filtering through to where there's

2067
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:22,739
just this one one meeting point where

2068
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:25,920
time is synced up like how how like how

2069
01:30:31,070 --> 01:30:29,040
is this it's a it's a progression

2070
01:30:33,169 --> 01:30:31,080
um

2071
01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:33,179
okay imagine

2072
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:35,940
videotape of traffic on a highway at

2073
01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:40,490
you can see all the headlights of the

2074
01:30:45,709 --> 01:30:42,840
individual cars moving along the highway

2075
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,719
now if I turn the pace of the video

2076
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:48,239
playback up if I clicking it fast enough

2077
01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:50,639
you reach a point where you no longer

2078
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:53,699
see the individual cars you see streaks

2079
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:56,760
of light you see what looks like energy

2080
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:01,139
it's because precisely because

2081
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:02,880
of the difference in the pace of time

2082
01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:05,520
that it looks like energy to us that

2083
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:07,800
along this Continuum of energy if you

2084
01:31:11,570 --> 01:31:08,820
look back

2085
01:31:14,570 --> 01:31:11,580
okay the the domains of energy are

2086
01:31:18,410 --> 01:31:14,580
differentiated by factors of 10.

2087
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:18,420
if you look back four domains

2088
01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:21,000
you have the equivalent of

2089
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:24,120
the quantum entanglement for us

2090
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:25,679
there have actually been scientific

2091
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:28,560
studies uh group conducted a bunch of

2092
01:31:33,229 --> 01:31:31,860
experiments on electrons first not

2093
01:31:35,629 --> 01:31:33,239
entangled with each other and then

2094
01:31:37,370 --> 01:31:35,639
entangled with each other and discovered

2095
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:37,380
that the interactions happen ten

2096
01:31:42,590 --> 01:31:39,420
thousand times more quickly for the

2097
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:42,600
entangled ones than the ones that aren't

2098
01:31:46,970 --> 01:31:44,940
and entanglement is really a factor of

2099
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:46,980
time it's exactly the same thing we're

2100
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,620
doing right here that

2101
01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:51,600
um because our connection is so Ultra

2102
01:31:54,530 --> 01:31:53,100
quick it's as if we're in the same room

2103
01:31:59,689 --> 01:31:54,540
with each other's space no longer

2104
01:32:05,390 --> 01:32:02,149
it's not that the space isn't there the

2105
01:32:07,550 --> 01:32:05,400
distance between us is still real

2106
01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:07,560
but the connection is so quick that it

2107
01:32:10,250 --> 01:32:08,580
doesn't

2108
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,260
factor in anymore

2109
01:32:14,209 --> 01:32:12,960
and how is this concept tying into you

2110
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,219
know your newer work I know that you

2111
01:32:18,290 --> 01:32:15,840
have a new book that's that you're

2112
01:32:20,510 --> 01:32:18,300
currently in in the final stages of like

2113
01:32:22,010 --> 01:32:20,520
how how are you tying this concept into

2114
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:22,020
you know so that some of the newer

2115
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:28,129
well to get at that we really have to

2116
01:32:31,250 --> 01:32:29,760
talk about the previous book which was

2117
01:32:32,209 --> 01:32:31,260
called Amma and the spark of the

2118
01:32:34,129 --> 01:32:32,219
universe

2119
01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:34,139
here's what's going on

2120
01:32:40,189 --> 01:32:38,340
okay you have energy as I said

2121
01:32:43,310 --> 01:32:40,199
you have a Perpetual cycle of energy

2122
01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:43,320
where the stages of the cycle

2123
01:32:47,570 --> 01:32:45,480
um I gotta back this up this is hard to

2124
01:32:50,330 --> 01:32:47,580
explain

2125
01:32:53,689 --> 01:32:50,340
what we have just been talking about is

2126
01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:53,699
the materializing half of the cycle it's

2127
01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:56,699
moving from a state of superconductivity

2128
01:33:01,310 --> 01:32:58,920
two material forms and then eventually

2129
01:33:03,950 --> 01:33:01,320
on to a state of super insulation

2130
01:33:06,050 --> 01:33:03,960
that's half the cycle the other half of

2131
01:33:08,270 --> 01:33:06,060
the cycle brings it back from Super

2132
01:33:10,250 --> 01:33:08,280
insulation back to superconductivity

2133
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:10,260
again

2134
01:33:17,390 --> 01:33:13,199
but in the overall cycle

2135
01:33:20,570 --> 01:33:17,400
you've got exact parallels to the

2136
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:20,580
natural water cycle that Hinduism

2137
01:33:27,050 --> 01:33:24,480
describes as a state

2138
01:33:29,709 --> 01:33:27,060
a pre-manifested state of energy called

2139
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:29,719
omkara

2140
01:33:37,870 --> 01:33:34,560
where energy exists as potentials

2141
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:37,880
um scientifically that compares to

2142
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:40,260
structures called instant on Knots

2143
01:33:46,490 --> 01:33:43,920
instant on Knots are are little Tangles

2144
01:33:48,290 --> 01:33:46,500
that develop in waves

2145
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:48,300
and they can create them in bodies of

2146
01:33:51,470 --> 01:33:49,620
water and they can create them in energy

2147
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:51,480
they naturally occur they happen all by

2148
01:33:55,729 --> 01:33:52,560
themselves

2149
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:55,739
and those instant on knots

2150
01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:58,920
Theory says that at the center of those

2151
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:00,540
knots is the potential for three

2152
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,360
monopoles of energy

2153
01:34:11,330 --> 01:34:05,280
now

2154
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:11,340
as a superconductive state

2155
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,760
and in a superconductive state you have

2156
01:34:19,010 --> 01:34:17,040
this instantaneous Perpetual flow of

2157
01:34:19,970 --> 01:34:19,020
electricity that's not being resisted by

2158
01:34:23,570 --> 01:34:19,980
anything

2159
01:34:26,110 --> 01:34:23,580
but any disruption to that flow of

2160
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:26,120
energy creates a spark and the spark

2161
01:34:32,570 --> 01:34:29,219
causes those three potential monopoles

2162
01:34:34,189 --> 01:34:32,580
to to condense and that's the term

2163
01:34:37,390 --> 01:34:34,199
science uses

2164
01:34:39,410 --> 01:34:37,400
the instant on Knots condense into

2165
01:34:41,450 --> 01:34:39,420
monopoles of energy

2166
01:34:43,550 --> 01:34:41,460
and at that stage of the cycle what's

2167
01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:43,560
condensing are

2168
01:34:48,290 --> 01:34:46,260
the spark which is a monopole of

2169
01:34:49,970 --> 01:34:48,300
electricity it's an electron or

2170
01:34:54,830 --> 01:34:49,980
potential electron

2171
01:34:57,850 --> 01:34:54,840
and two monopoles that become a magnet

2172
01:35:01,010 --> 01:34:57,860
it's that's the root unit of of energy

2173
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:01,020
it's uh the equivalent of a proton

2174
01:35:10,910 --> 01:35:07,490
um

2175
01:35:13,010 --> 01:35:10,920
the instanton knots themselves

2176
01:35:16,370 --> 01:35:13,020
are associated with Hawking radiation

2177
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:16,380
which the scientists say evaporates from

2178
01:35:24,890 --> 01:35:22,189
so you have an evaporation process you

2179
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:24,900
have a condensation process you have an

2180
01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:27,360
accumulating process and you have a sort

2181
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:29,100
of a redistributing process that are

2182
01:35:34,010 --> 01:35:31,320
exactly parallel to the natural water

2183
01:35:35,629 --> 01:35:34,020
cycle so all of the metaphors the

2184
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:35,639
symbolic metaphors about things being

2185
01:35:39,610 --> 01:35:37,260
connected to the natural water cycle

2186
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:39,620
aren't metaphors they're they're

2187
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:42,719
objectively true

2188
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:44,760
now have you have you heard of the die

2189
01:35:49,129 --> 01:35:47,520
the die hold Foundation

2190
01:35:51,770 --> 01:35:49,139
I've heard of it but I'm not familiar

2191
01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:51,780
with it okay uh now what have you heard

2192
01:35:57,110 --> 01:35:55,320
I know uh um uh mccallis had had asked

2193
01:35:58,729 --> 01:35:57,120
uh if you'd heard about it and what what

2194
01:36:02,450 --> 01:35:58,739
your opinion would be on it as far as

2195
01:36:04,669 --> 01:36:02,460
their like how they're looking at uh you

2196
01:36:07,070 --> 01:36:04,679
know at least very very similar things

2197
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:07,080
to a certain extent where they're you

2198
01:36:12,649 --> 01:36:09,000
know talking about let's say like you

2199
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:12,659
know waveform superimposed on a toroid

2200
01:36:21,890 --> 01:36:17,709
um um

2201
01:36:23,810 --> 01:36:21,900
energy or or you know how let's say uh

2202
01:36:26,209 --> 01:36:23,820
like a carbon atom comes into this

2203
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:26,219
Dimension and how that's being connected

2204
01:36:29,570 --> 01:36:27,420
it's like let's say the Hebrew the

2205
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:29,580
Hebrew alphabet

2206
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,100
um it's it seems like there's

2207
01:36:36,350 --> 01:36:35,040
at least some overlap with with some of

2208
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:36,360
the terminology and I've never heard of

2209
01:36:42,290 --> 01:36:40,560
it myself so this is somewhat this is a

2210
01:36:45,470 --> 01:36:42,300
simpler perspective than that

2211
01:36:47,689 --> 01:36:45,480
when those monopoles emerge

2212
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,699
you can think of it as

2213
01:36:51,169 --> 01:36:49,679
even though there's a dimensional

2214
01:36:53,090 --> 01:36:51,179
separation between the electrical side

2215
01:36:54,770 --> 01:36:53,100
of it and the Magnetic side of it you

2216
01:36:58,010 --> 01:36:54,780
can think of the three points as being

2217
01:37:01,490 --> 01:36:58,020
the two magnetic um monopoles as being

2218
01:37:04,250 --> 01:37:01,500
on either side of the electrical one in

2219
01:37:07,010 --> 01:37:04,260
what's the equivalent of

2220
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:07,020
a one-dimensional setting

2221
01:37:11,149 --> 01:37:08,159
um

2222
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:11,159
that magnetism can only sit in two

2223
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:13,679
postures within the North Pole up or the

2224
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:14,880
North Pole down

2225
01:37:22,250 --> 01:37:18,060
we can think of it that way and so as

2226
01:37:24,350 --> 01:37:22,260
these monopoles emerge

2227
01:37:26,209 --> 01:37:24,360
the same spark that caused them to

2228
01:37:28,430 --> 01:37:26,219
condense also causes them to rotate

2229
01:37:30,290 --> 01:37:28,440
because that's what magnetism does and

2230
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,300
when it rotates

2231
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:32,400
the electron which is between the two

2232
01:37:38,750 --> 01:37:35,040
poles of the magnet rotates with it

2233
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:38,760
the magnetism evokes a space that allows

2234
01:37:43,310 --> 01:37:41,340
the electron to extend a little bit

2235
01:37:45,410 --> 01:37:43,320
okay

2236
01:37:47,810 --> 01:37:45,420
and

2237
01:37:50,810 --> 01:37:47,820
that sets off a chain reaction that is

2238
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,820
in in miniature scale all the way up the

2239
01:37:56,050 --> 01:37:52,800
scale sort of compares to what happens

2240
01:37:58,669 --> 01:37:56,060
with the formation of of

2241
01:38:02,629 --> 01:37:58,679
hydrogen atom

2242
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:05,689
there's a perspective from which

2243
01:38:09,890 --> 01:38:08,159
the extension of space is also sort of

2244
01:38:12,290 --> 01:38:09,900
illusional I'll try to explain why how

2245
01:38:13,010 --> 01:38:12,300
that works and why it works

2246
01:38:14,990 --> 01:38:13,020
um

2247
01:38:16,910 --> 01:38:15,000
imagine that we had

2248
01:38:19,070 --> 01:38:16,920
we were an objective Observer we were

2249
01:38:22,370 --> 01:38:19,080
standing outside the system

2250
01:38:24,770 --> 01:38:22,380
with time running at its fastest pace

2251
01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:24,780
and we could measure your objectively

2252
01:38:28,490 --> 01:38:27,120
measure what the duration of a moment

2253
01:38:30,649 --> 01:38:28,500
was

2254
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:30,659
and in that moment

2255
01:38:35,810 --> 01:38:33,420
because light moves at a constant speed

2256
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:35,820
we would know how far light extended in

2257
01:38:40,189 --> 01:38:37,620
the in the course of a moment

2258
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,199
we could calculate it

2259
01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:42,000
now

2260
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:45,060
with the rotation of these monopoles

2261
01:38:49,550 --> 01:38:48,000
you're increasing mass and your slowing

2262
01:38:52,370 --> 01:38:49,560
time frame a little bit

2263
01:38:55,310 --> 01:38:52,380
imagine that someone came along and

2264
01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:55,320
doubled the objective duration of that

2265
01:39:09,229 --> 01:38:56,760
moment

2266
01:39:11,229 --> 01:39:09,239
because light moves at a constant speed

2267
01:39:14,030 --> 01:39:11,239
it will be able to extend twice as far

2268
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:14,040
as it had in the previous moment

2269
01:39:19,490 --> 01:39:17,760
and so by every measure that we have to

2270
01:39:21,110 --> 01:39:19,500
judge by

2271
01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:21,120
space would be expanding it would be

2272
01:39:23,930 --> 01:39:22,199
extending

2273
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:23,940
even though

2274
01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:26,159
in fact all that had changed was the

2275
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:28,860
pace of time had slowed

2276
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:31,520
that under the coverage so to speak

2277
01:39:35,470 --> 01:39:34,080
space might not actually be expanding at

2278
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,480
all

2279
01:39:40,610 --> 01:39:37,440
as a matter of fact their Egyptian

2280
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,620
references that make it look as if it's

2281
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:42,480
not really expanding

2282
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,420
we were into these types of Concepts uh

2283
01:39:50,450 --> 01:39:47,760
fairly regularly I know we're like

2284
01:39:54,350 --> 01:39:50,460
losing track of time uh it's a it's an

2285
01:39:56,030 --> 01:39:54,360
expression that's as old as time and you

2286
01:39:58,850 --> 01:39:56,040
know you never

2287
01:40:01,970 --> 01:39:58,860
um a wash pot never boils the the the

2288
01:40:03,470 --> 01:40:01,980
concept that that time is

2289
01:40:06,649 --> 01:40:03,480
um even though we do have measurements

2290
01:40:09,709 --> 01:40:06,659
for it it's something that can still be

2291
01:40:11,810 --> 01:40:09,719
lost either cognitively or through our

2292
01:40:14,930 --> 01:40:11,820
own attention uh you know loss of

2293
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:14,940
attention uh time blindness with

2294
01:40:19,850 --> 01:40:18,300
individuals who are ADHD or who may be

2295
01:40:21,649 --> 01:40:19,860
on the Spectrum

2296
01:40:24,290 --> 01:40:21,659
um they they don't necessarily perceive

2297
01:40:27,169 --> 01:40:24,300
time as somebody who

2298
01:40:29,450 --> 01:40:27,179
you know is it may not be so like these

2299
01:40:32,090 --> 01:40:29,460
these types of perceptions of of concept

2300
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:32,100
really bring to mind how you know even

2301
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,260
our own Consciousness interacts with

2302
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:36,960
reality and what what is reality to a

2303
01:40:39,770 --> 01:40:38,340
certain extent and whether it's

2304
01:40:42,050 --> 01:40:39,780
objective or if there's something that

2305
01:40:45,050 --> 01:40:42,060
is subjective to that reality and you

2306
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:45,060
know that brings in a whole host of

2307
01:40:50,510 --> 01:40:48,239
super cheap philosophical questions that

2308
01:40:52,910 --> 01:40:50,520
probably go way deeper than Milan until

2309
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:52,920
time we have for tonight but some of

2310
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:54,480
those are are answered by the tradition

2311
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:56,130
for example

2312
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:56,580
[Music]

2313
01:41:00,110 --> 01:40:57,600
um

2314
01:41:02,030 --> 01:41:00,120
Consciousness and and time are both

2315
01:41:06,350 --> 01:41:02,040
treated as our Consciousness is treated

2316
01:41:12,830 --> 01:41:09,290
okay actually magnetism and electricity

2317
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:12,840
are treated as manifested forms

2318
01:41:18,350 --> 01:41:16,260
the instant on Knots are treated as

2319
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,360
potential forms they're not manifested

2320
01:41:23,209 --> 01:41:20,159
yet

2321
01:41:26,450 --> 01:41:25,010
the perspective that Consciousness is

2322
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,460
everything that everything it derives

2323
01:41:31,370 --> 01:41:28,320
from Consciousness it makes no sense in

2324
01:41:34,129 --> 01:41:31,380
this system because

2325
01:41:35,689 --> 01:41:34,139
you have to have for for an event to

2326
01:41:38,990 --> 01:41:35,699
take place you already have to have an

2327
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:39,000
oscillation of time for any any event to

2328
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:40,800
happen for a conscious thought to happen

2329
01:41:44,930 --> 01:41:42,480
you have to have an oscillation of time

2330
01:41:46,669 --> 01:41:44,940
which means time has got to precede

2331
01:41:49,490 --> 01:41:46,679
consciousness

2332
01:41:52,910 --> 01:41:51,530
if Consciousness is a factor of the two

2333
01:41:54,649 --> 01:41:52,920
energies that the energies are

2334
01:41:57,169 --> 01:41:54,659
manifested forms the Consciousness

2335
01:41:58,490 --> 01:41:57,179
doesn't exist at the level of the

2336
01:42:01,490 --> 01:41:58,500
primordial

2337
01:42:04,209 --> 01:42:03,169
oh my brain is starting to hurt with us

2338
01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:04,219
this is

2339
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:06,420
these are Concepts most of us don't even

2340
01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:08,159
think about on a daily basis you know

2341
01:42:11,149 --> 01:42:09,719
we're like just we go through the day

2342
01:42:13,490 --> 01:42:11,159
going okay I'm going to get some coffee

2343
01:42:14,990 --> 01:42:13,500
I got to go through traffic get to work

2344
01:42:17,209 --> 01:42:15,000
straight up my computer go through all

2345
01:42:19,729 --> 01:42:17,219
these things we don't necessarily you

2346
01:42:22,850 --> 01:42:19,739
know a lot I'm not not going to say we

2347
01:42:25,250 --> 01:42:22,860
ever a lot of people don't necessarily

2348
01:42:26,930 --> 01:42:25,260
consider the nature of Consciousness and

2349
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,940
and how

2350
01:42:30,770 --> 01:42:28,800
um uh you know how that's manifested or

2351
01:42:32,510 --> 01:42:30,780
or what how that connects so let's say

2352
01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:32,520
the fundamental forces within the

2353
01:42:37,129 --> 01:42:34,260
universe or even if it does

2354
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:37,139
and it's it's like trying to be able to

2355
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,760
to uh consider a uh a tesseract you know

2356
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:43,440
we can look at a tesseract

2357
01:42:50,030 --> 01:42:46,560
uh on a computer at least if you know a

2358
01:42:53,149 --> 01:42:50,040
2D rendering of a 3D shape that's doing

2359
01:42:54,890 --> 01:42:53,159
something in 4D but we don't necessarily

2360
01:42:57,649 --> 01:42:54,900
understand the concept of how that would

2361
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:57,659
uh work within the real world within our

2362
01:43:01,250 --> 01:42:59,760
own perception right but from my

2363
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,260
perspective that's entirely over

2364
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:03,119
complicating

2365
01:43:08,990 --> 01:43:07,500
the situation that the Dynamics the

2366
01:43:12,169 --> 01:43:09,000
underlying Dynamics we're working with

2367
01:43:14,030 --> 01:43:12,179
are far far simpler than that and if you

2368
01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:14,040
examine things at the level of the root

2369
01:43:17,570 --> 01:43:16,020
Dynamics you get a really good

2370
01:43:20,990 --> 01:43:17,580
explanation for how it all comes

2371
01:43:22,010 --> 01:43:21,000
together without having to resort to

2372
01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:22,020
those

2373
01:43:29,810 --> 01:43:26,460
um forms that get created uh the the

2374
01:43:31,729 --> 01:43:29,820
root of sacred geometry is simply

2375
01:43:33,649 --> 01:43:31,739
um a set of

2376
01:43:36,189 --> 01:43:33,659
Circles of vectors that are used to

2377
01:43:40,910 --> 01:43:36,199
align a Buddha stupa and they represent

2378
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,920
the the fundamental process of how space

2379
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:42,960
um what do they say it

2380
01:43:46,609 --> 01:43:45,360
the geometry recapitulates how space

2381
01:43:48,410 --> 01:43:46,619
emerges

2382
01:43:50,290 --> 01:43:48,420
but as you become familiar with it it

2383
01:43:56,510 --> 01:43:50,300
also you also see that it reconves

2384
01:44:01,790 --> 01:43:58,850
um so the part of the reason I like the

2385
01:44:04,850 --> 01:44:01,800
Dogan system here is because

2386
01:44:07,209 --> 01:44:04,860
it keeps things on a very fundamental

2387
01:44:09,770 --> 01:44:07,219
level to be able to explain explain

2388
01:44:11,689 --> 01:44:09,780
other very complicated things but

2389
01:44:13,129 --> 01:44:11,699
without having to wrap your brain around

2390
01:44:15,709 --> 01:44:13,139
a tesseract

2391
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,719
how is it we can explain this with like

2392
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,000
let's say an everyday object I I know if

2393
01:44:23,209 --> 01:44:20,400
we're looking at how energy transitions

2394
01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:23,219
to let's you know biological cell uh it

2395
01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:26,280
can use the example of a seed for

2396
01:44:34,010 --> 01:44:32,270
well I can give you some some

2397
01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:34,020
um

2398
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,820
example of some of the symbolic

2399
01:44:39,649 --> 01:44:37,679
representations and that might

2400
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,659
illustrate some of it for you uh the

2401
01:44:42,830 --> 01:44:41,280
Dogan

2402
01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:42,840
um

2403
01:44:48,350 --> 01:44:45,900
agriculture is based on

2404
01:44:51,530 --> 01:44:48,360
an arrangement of plots of land

2405
01:44:54,530 --> 01:44:51,540
and what they do is they measure out

2406
01:44:56,450 --> 01:44:54,540
nine squares of land

2407
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:56,460
as its own Square so you have eight

2408
01:44:59,810 --> 01:44:57,840
squares around the outside and one

2409
01:45:02,930 --> 01:44:59,820
square in the middle

2410
01:45:06,050 --> 01:45:02,940
and each of the outer squares is given

2411
01:45:09,649 --> 01:45:06,060
assigned to a family to a farm and the

2412
01:45:10,729 --> 01:45:09,659
center plot becomes a common well that

2413
01:45:12,649 --> 01:45:10,739
all the other

2414
01:45:13,850 --> 01:45:12,659
plots share

2415
01:45:18,109 --> 01:45:13,860
okay

2416
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:18,119
that Arrangement is what

2417
01:45:24,109 --> 01:45:22,320
biologists I I read describe as the most

2418
01:45:29,169 --> 01:45:24,119
efficient way of Distributing energy in

2419
01:45:34,010 --> 01:45:32,689
now the same system it's called The Well

2420
01:45:36,590 --> 01:45:34,020
field plan

2421
01:45:37,729 --> 01:45:36,600
existed in ancient China in ancient

2422
01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:37,739
times

2423
01:45:43,250 --> 01:45:40,260
there you have some complications

2424
01:45:45,709 --> 01:45:43,260
because what happened to 3000 BC didn't

2425
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,719
get written down until around 300 BC and

2426
01:45:48,770 --> 01:45:47,280
so that they're in Endless fights with

2427
01:45:51,530 --> 01:45:48,780
each other about what what's true and

2428
01:45:53,149 --> 01:45:51,540
what's not but there was a wellfield

2429
01:45:55,970 --> 01:45:53,159
plan that was an exact match for the

2430
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,980
Dogan plan that some Scholars feel was

2431
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:58,080
only theoretical and other Scholars say

2432
01:46:02,270 --> 01:45:59,460
was implemented

2433
01:46:04,910 --> 01:46:02,280
but it's a rude concept of the cosmology

2434
01:46:07,609 --> 01:46:04,920
it's a signature of the cosmology any

2435
01:46:09,530 --> 01:46:07,619
culture that was instructed in this

2436
01:46:10,970 --> 01:46:09,540
cosmology would have known about it and

2437
01:46:14,570 --> 01:46:10,980
the reason they know about it is because

2438
01:46:16,430 --> 01:46:14,580
it recreates this method of distribution

2439
01:46:18,109 --> 01:46:16,440
of energy in itself

2440
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:18,119
it's fundamental

2441
01:46:24,649 --> 01:46:21,119
I'm trying to be able to to recall back

2442
01:46:26,209 --> 01:46:24,659
grade 10 biology and uh unfortunately

2443
01:46:29,530 --> 01:46:26,219
totally remember much from that year

2444
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:29,540
unfortunately and I but I I do remember

2445
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,400
uh you know at least like I have that

2446
01:46:35,629 --> 01:46:34,560
the diagram of the cell that they made

2447
01:46:37,370 --> 01:46:35,639
us draw

2448
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,380
to at least and then to memorize the

2449
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:40,560
parts and and I I couldn't label it to

2450
01:46:45,470 --> 01:46:42,000
be able to save my life at this point

2451
01:46:47,209 --> 01:46:45,480
but you know the the concept is at least

2452
01:46:49,129 --> 01:46:47,219
it's interesting to be able to say okay

2453
01:46:51,530 --> 01:46:49,139
well this concept of how energy is being

2454
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,540
distributed within the cell is then

2455
01:46:55,250 --> 01:46:53,520
propagated throughout

2456
01:46:58,729 --> 01:46:55,260
um uh you know like throughout even just

2457
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,739
base processes of of community setup

2458
01:47:02,270 --> 01:47:00,480
so it's it's kind of like saying okay

2459
01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:02,280
well the principles that work on the

2460
01:47:06,410 --> 01:47:03,960
small scale work on the large scale as

2461
01:47:08,450 --> 01:47:06,420
well right well dog in society you you

2462
01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:08,460
we come to realize that all the

2463
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:10,920
structures of Dogan daily life

2464
01:47:15,890 --> 01:47:13,920
Center on these energetic principles of

2465
01:47:19,609 --> 01:47:15,900
biology

2466
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:19,619
down to the layout of the Dogan Village

2467
01:47:24,169 --> 01:47:21,480
and what building they build first and

2468
01:47:25,550 --> 01:47:24,179
all sorts of things like that but if we

2469
01:47:27,470 --> 01:47:25,560
can go back for a moment to the three

2470
01:47:29,570 --> 01:47:27,480
monopoles that condense in the

2471
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:29,580
superconductive state they condense and

2472
01:47:33,709 --> 01:47:31,440
then they rotate

2473
01:47:34,609 --> 01:47:33,719
there is a critical thing going on there

2474
01:47:37,850 --> 01:47:34,619
that

2475
01:47:40,729 --> 01:47:37,860
the biologists and the

2476
01:47:42,050 --> 01:47:40,739
the astrophysicists all

2477
01:47:44,450 --> 01:47:42,060
ignore

2478
01:47:47,450 --> 01:47:44,460
it's it's a critical factor that none of

2479
01:47:49,609 --> 01:47:47,460
them look at or even consider

2480
01:47:51,169 --> 01:47:49,619
in a superconductive domain according to

2481
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:51,179
the Dogan

2482
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:53,940
you automatically you automatically

2483
01:47:59,330 --> 01:47:57,360
arrive at a superconductive condition

2484
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,340
in any circumstance where all the

2485
01:48:03,290 --> 01:48:01,199
magnetism all the little tiny magnets

2486
01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:03,300
line up the same way

2487
01:48:07,729 --> 01:48:05,699
if you line them up one way

2488
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:07,739
you get super conductivity if you line

2489
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:09,840
them up the other way you get super

2490
01:48:16,010 --> 01:48:13,440
insulation so when the three monopoles

2491
01:48:19,689 --> 01:48:16,020
are condensed and they rotate

2492
01:48:22,010 --> 01:48:19,699
suddenly as a unit they're sitting

2493
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:22,020
anti-parallel to the rest of the

2494
01:48:27,290 --> 01:48:24,719
superconductive domain and we know that

2495
01:48:30,290 --> 01:48:27,300
parallel magnetism pulls together an

2496
01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:30,300
anti parallel magnetism pushes apart

2497
01:48:36,350 --> 01:48:33,119
so as soon as those monopoles rotate

2498
01:48:38,209 --> 01:48:36,360
they get pushed out of the domain and

2499
01:48:40,609 --> 01:48:38,219
self

2500
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:40,619
Define a second domain that becomes the

2501
01:48:44,990 --> 01:48:42,719
material domain

2502
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:45,000
so what you're seeing is that in the way

2503
01:48:49,390 --> 01:48:47,760
is that this this uh you know this

2504
01:48:54,410 --> 01:48:49,400
transition

2505
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:54,420
is also somewhat of a a real world very

2506
01:49:01,129 --> 01:48:57,900
micro like microscopic very small

2507
01:49:03,649 --> 01:49:01,139
um uh microcosm to this transition that

2508
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:03,659
the dogon are saying that they've been

2509
01:49:11,950 --> 01:49:05,760
taught happens uh between the material

2510
01:49:16,370 --> 01:49:14,090
the cycle is based on the same

2511
01:49:18,530 --> 01:49:16,380
principles but that's the same set of

2512
01:49:21,410 --> 01:49:18,540
principles that govern

2513
01:49:23,810 --> 01:49:21,420
um a dipole the inout action of a dipole

2514
01:49:25,790 --> 01:49:23,820
it's the same principles

2515
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,800
that govern

2516
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:28,080
our son's relationship to the serious

2517
01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:38,629
now in

2518
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,770
in a biological organism

2519
01:49:48,590 --> 01:49:44,639
there's a thing that happens that the

2520
01:49:53,149 --> 01:49:49,250
um

2521
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:53,159
inside every aqueous membrane in a

2522
01:50:01,129 --> 01:49:58,490
what naturally develops what naturally

2523
01:50:04,010 --> 01:50:01,139
differentiates is what's called a zone

2524
01:50:06,669 --> 01:50:04,020
of coherent water where it's called an

2525
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:06,679
exclusion Zone it's where

2526
01:50:10,669 --> 01:50:09,119
most of the components of a cell are

2527
01:50:14,090 --> 01:50:10,679
pushed out of the Zone little Zone

2528
01:50:16,189 --> 01:50:14,100
that's several microns thick right up

2529
01:50:18,649 --> 01:50:16,199
next to every aqueous membrane and

2530
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:18,659
there's hardly that 70 percent of an

2531
01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:21,060
organism is within microns of an aqueous

2532
01:50:25,550 --> 01:50:22,679
membrane

2533
01:50:27,709 --> 01:50:25,560
that exclusion Zone

2534
01:50:30,410 --> 01:50:27,719
consists of deconstructed water

2535
01:50:33,290 --> 01:50:30,420
molecules that because as they're

2536
01:50:35,330 --> 01:50:33,300
deconstructed line up

2537
01:50:37,609 --> 01:50:35,340
like little magnets to create a

2538
01:50:40,010 --> 01:50:37,619
superconductive Zone

2539
01:50:42,530 --> 01:50:40,020
and it's through that zone that zone

2540
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:42,540
becomes a

2541
01:50:47,629 --> 01:50:45,119
Global reservoir for energy for the

2542
01:50:48,890 --> 01:50:47,639
entire organism from which these

2543
01:50:50,750 --> 01:50:48,900
monopoles

2544
01:50:52,729 --> 01:50:50,760
which are effectively protons and

2545
01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:52,739
electrons can be evoked at any time by a

2546
01:50:59,689 --> 01:50:56,520
spark and every organic reaction every

2547
01:51:02,629 --> 01:50:59,699
root reaction and then an a biological

2548
01:51:05,390 --> 01:51:02,639
entity begins with a spermine

2549
01:51:07,550 --> 01:51:05,400
and I have a feeling this is why your

2550
01:51:12,590 --> 01:51:07,560
next work is going to be called

2551
01:51:19,250 --> 01:51:15,530
it makes it makes perfect sense now

2552
01:51:21,229 --> 01:51:19,260
about how that ties together uh now I

2553
01:51:23,149 --> 01:51:21,239
know it's I know this book is in and

2554
01:51:26,689 --> 01:51:23,159
we're getting close to the the Midnight

2555
01:51:29,930 --> 01:51:26,699
Hour here on the East Coast uh to 10 p.m

2556
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:29,940
for 8 9 p.m for all of us West Coast

2557
01:51:34,189 --> 01:51:32,880
folk uh where it's probably still nice

2558
01:51:37,149 --> 01:51:34,199
and warm and we're still dealing with

2559
01:51:39,950 --> 01:51:37,159
snow and ice but uh

2560
01:51:42,590 --> 01:51:39,960
you're in the final editing stages of

2561
01:51:44,750 --> 01:51:42,600
this book correct right

2562
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:44,760
um within hopefully within a month uh

2563
01:51:48,590 --> 01:51:45,780
the book will be available for

2564
01:51:49,609 --> 01:51:48,600
publication uh no are you I know that

2565
01:51:50,990 --> 01:51:49,619
you had several books that you

2566
01:51:53,209 --> 01:51:51,000
self-published is this going to be going

2567
01:51:54,890 --> 01:51:53,219
through your Publishing House

2568
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:54,900
well

2569
01:51:58,609 --> 01:51:56,639
uh the majority of my books have been

2570
01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:58,619
published through um salmon and Schuster

2571
01:52:04,129 --> 01:52:00,840
through some Syria an imprint called um

2572
01:52:06,530 --> 01:52:04,139
inner Traditions but over time what was

2573
01:52:08,450 --> 01:52:06,540
happening was that the lead time from

2574
01:52:10,609 --> 01:52:08,460
submission of a manuscript to the time

2575
01:52:12,830 --> 01:52:10,619
when the book actually was published

2576
01:52:16,189 --> 01:52:12,840
became about 18 months

2577
01:52:17,689 --> 01:52:16,199
and I was researching and writing things

2578
01:52:20,030 --> 01:52:17,699
much quicker than that and I discovered

2579
01:52:23,570 --> 01:52:20,040
after a while that I could self-publish

2580
01:52:25,370 --> 01:52:23,580
a second book six months in

2581
01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:25,380
and ended up publishing two books a year

2582
01:52:28,129 --> 01:52:26,820
one self-published one traditionally

2583
01:52:31,010 --> 01:52:28,139
published

2584
01:52:33,770 --> 01:52:31,020
so I did that for four years

2585
01:52:36,350 --> 01:52:33,780
um for the last two books I've opted the

2586
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:36,360
self-publisher instead because

2587
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:38,520
I have so much better control over the

2588
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:41,520
timetable and the details of what goes

2589
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:44,280
into the book and control over how I

2590
01:52:49,310 --> 01:52:46,560
want to name the book

2591
01:52:50,750 --> 01:52:49,320
um and it may I have enough of a

2592
01:52:54,109 --> 01:52:50,760
following that I don't necessarily need

2593
01:52:56,209 --> 01:52:54,119
the publisher as a conduit to get the

2594
01:52:58,669 --> 01:52:56,219
book sold

2595
01:53:00,770 --> 01:52:58,679
you just come on a podcast like this and

2596
01:53:03,410 --> 01:53:00,780
say it's like hey I'm putting out a new

2597
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:03,420
book and you know here's a teaser for

2598
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,000
like the main Concepts and how it ties

2599
01:53:10,729 --> 01:53:08,400
into everything else I've done before it

2600
01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:10,739
in all honesty it it's it's it's one of

2601
01:53:14,330 --> 01:53:12,600
the best things you could possibly do

2602
01:53:18,169 --> 01:53:14,340
because at least at this point you get

2603
01:53:21,050 --> 01:53:18,179
to talk to people who at at minimum are

2604
01:53:22,370 --> 01:53:21,060
aware of what you actually do uh and if

2605
01:53:23,810 --> 01:53:22,380
you're like myself where it's like we've

2606
01:53:26,570 --> 01:53:23,820
talked about all of these Concepts

2607
01:53:29,209 --> 01:53:26,580
before I just you know need to build a

2608
01:53:31,609 --> 01:53:29,219
brush my myself up on some of them

2609
01:53:33,950 --> 01:53:31,619
um but still it's like you you look at

2610
01:53:35,689 --> 01:53:33,960
it and it's one it's a cohesive story

2611
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:35,699
with each one being its own its own

2612
01:53:40,490 --> 01:53:38,159
small part uh and it's it's kind of like

2613
01:53:42,649 --> 01:53:40,500
Pokemon you had to catch them all

2614
01:53:45,590 --> 01:53:42,659
uh one other point I wanted to make was

2615
01:53:49,790 --> 01:53:45,600
what happens with those monopoles when

2616
01:53:52,010 --> 01:53:49,800
they rotate and the electron effectively

2617
01:53:54,530 --> 01:53:52,020
moves out and eventually becomes an

2618
01:53:56,270 --> 01:53:54,540
electron around a proton and a hydrogen

2619
01:53:59,330 --> 01:53:56,280
atom

2620
01:54:02,810 --> 01:53:59,340
those are entangled particles in a

2621
01:54:05,629 --> 01:54:02,820
hydrogen atom that when you flip the

2622
01:54:07,790 --> 01:54:05,639
spin attribute of

2623
01:54:09,649 --> 01:54:07,800
the electron you automatically flip the

2624
01:54:11,090 --> 01:54:09,659
spin attribute of the proton they're

2625
01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:11,100
entangled

2626
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:13,800
well the Dogan are saying that's exactly

2627
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:16,980
what happened when our sun emerged in

2628
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:18,960
the company of the two serious stars

2629
01:54:24,169 --> 01:54:21,119
from

2630
01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:24,179
um a spiral of the Orion Nebula

2631
01:54:29,390 --> 01:54:27,239
that we were originally in a uh a

2632
01:54:31,609 --> 01:54:29,400
triplet with them the same way that I

2633
01:54:34,010 --> 01:54:31,619
was talking about those monopoles and

2634
01:54:36,050 --> 01:54:34,020
that our sun was ejected by exactly the

2635
01:54:37,970 --> 01:54:36,060
same Dynamic the adult would even draw

2636
01:54:41,149 --> 01:54:37,980
the dynamic

2637
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:41,159
moving ever more further outward away

2638
01:54:44,090 --> 01:54:42,239
from

2639
01:54:47,450 --> 01:54:44,100
the serious Stars which act like the

2640
01:54:49,790 --> 01:54:47,460
proton and our our solar system is

2641
01:54:52,490 --> 01:54:49,800
orbiting the serious stars or orbiting

2642
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:55,129
no I'll ask is this

2643
01:54:58,490 --> 01:54:55,679
um

2644
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,500
meant to be like an allegory just for

2645
01:55:04,370 --> 01:55:00,719
our sun or is this something that has

2646
01:55:06,169 --> 01:55:04,380
happened like with with other stars we

2647
01:55:09,530 --> 01:55:06,179
can expect it happened with every binary

2648
01:55:12,770 --> 01:55:09,540
pair every binary star system wow okay

2649
01:55:13,490 --> 01:55:12,780
that's that's pretty wild this is

2650
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:13,500
um

2651
01:55:17,149 --> 01:55:14,719
foreign

2652
01:55:18,890 --> 01:55:17,159
with every single conversation we have I

2653
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:18,900
always like walk away and I think about

2654
01:55:25,070 --> 01:55:23,040
it for three or four days so I know

2655
01:55:27,649 --> 01:55:25,080
the implication

2656
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:27,659
because the energetics are parallel

2657
01:55:30,890 --> 01:55:29,760
that our sun is entangled with the

2658
01:55:34,250 --> 01:55:30,900
serious turret

2659
01:55:36,890 --> 01:55:34,260
well how far away are are we from them

2660
01:55:38,330 --> 01:55:36,900
not eight light years

2661
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:38,340
still

2662
01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:40,639
I'm like is that far enough to be

2663
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:42,900
incredibly obviously like you know

2664
01:55:48,290 --> 01:55:45,840
gravitational uh interaction happens

2665
01:55:51,290 --> 01:55:48,300
like you know this

2666
01:55:53,870 --> 01:55:51,300
this panel gravitationally act with the

2667
01:55:55,810 --> 01:55:53,880
moon even though it's on such a minute

2668
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:55,820
scale it's not necessarily measurable

2669
01:56:01,310 --> 01:55:59,520
right but if if it's not it's not the

2670
01:56:02,750 --> 01:56:01,320
gravity of the Stars that's causing the

2671
01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:02,760
rotation to happen

2672
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,800
they came out of a spiraling birthplace

2673
01:56:09,530 --> 01:56:06,719
of stars called Barnard's Loop which is

2674
01:56:12,649 --> 01:56:09,540
huge as a matter of fact the measure of

2675
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:12,659
Barnard's Loop in light years is a match

2676
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:14,280
for the major

2677
01:56:19,310 --> 01:56:17,219
of the Great Pyramid in qubits

2678
01:56:21,649 --> 01:56:19,320
okay that's

2679
01:56:24,109 --> 01:56:21,659
so it's the rotation of that gigantic

2680
01:56:26,510 --> 01:56:24,119
spiral yes that Brook Place of stars

2681
01:56:28,910 --> 01:56:26,520
that is driving that's pulling our sun

2682
01:56:32,810 --> 01:56:28,920
around in the circle

2683
01:56:34,669 --> 01:56:32,820
and causing procession and because

2684
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:34,679
the dynamic of our sun is like the

2685
01:56:39,410 --> 01:56:37,440
dynamic of electron

2686
01:56:42,709 --> 01:56:39,420
the Continuum of energy that we

2687
01:56:44,570 --> 01:56:42,719
experience is a match for

2688
01:56:48,890 --> 01:56:44,580
what an electron experience is in a

2689
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:48,900
hydrogen atom same dynamic

2690
01:56:55,129 --> 01:56:52,320
wow okay

2691
01:56:59,870 --> 01:56:55,139
I I think

2692
01:57:02,810 --> 01:56:59,880
I I'm wow okay yeah that's enough to

2693
01:57:04,490 --> 01:57:02,820
bite off in one pretty much uh so we're

2694
01:57:06,890 --> 01:57:04,500
calling our first episode like the first

2695
01:57:10,189 --> 01:57:06,900
episode we did way way way way way back

2696
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:10,199
when and you know like I I didn't really

2697
01:57:13,970 --> 01:57:12,239
talk for like two days after our show

2698
01:57:16,189 --> 01:57:13,980
just because of everything that we

2699
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:16,199
talked about I'm like okay well how how

2700
01:57:19,850 --> 01:57:18,480
did that work then how did this work and

2701
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:19,860
it just took me a while to be able to

2702
01:57:23,330 --> 01:57:21,360
chew through it I remember the time that

2703
01:57:24,530 --> 01:57:23,340
we came on afterwards I was peppering

2704
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:24,540
off questions to you left right and

2705
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:27,119
Center so I I know we we had said okay

2706
01:57:30,649 --> 01:57:28,560
well we're probably going to talk about

2707
01:57:34,810 --> 01:57:30,659
a lot tonight there's always a chance

2708
01:57:36,830 --> 01:57:34,820
for part two at some point in the future

2709
01:57:39,169 --> 01:57:36,840
once I can go through the transcript

2710
01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:39,179
once I can I can pinpoint all the

2711
01:57:42,649 --> 01:57:40,920
questions and and all this the you know

2712
01:57:44,990 --> 01:57:42,659
the topics that I'm missing here and by

2713
01:57:46,970 --> 01:57:45,000
that point the book will probably be

2714
01:57:49,070 --> 01:57:46,980
very close to publication so you know

2715
01:57:51,890 --> 01:57:49,080
it'll be good for for a good uh

2716
01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:51,900
follow-up on on uh the Waters of life

2717
01:57:56,270 --> 01:57:54,060
yeah that'd be fun that'd be great I'd

2718
01:57:57,770 --> 01:57:56,280
be happy to do that all right that that

2719
01:57:58,370 --> 01:57:57,780
would be amazing

2720
01:58:00,109 --> 01:57:58,380
um

2721
01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:00,119
wow we actually we did the full two

2722
01:58:04,609 --> 01:58:02,639
hours ladies and gents and you know it's

2723
01:58:05,930 --> 01:58:04,619
it's different now and you know instead

2724
01:58:07,970 --> 01:58:05,940
of like before where it's like we just

2725
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:07,980
go for like four or five hours Non-Stop

2726
01:58:13,070 --> 01:58:10,320
and I see some of these other podcasts

2727
01:58:17,649 --> 01:58:13,080
just like we went for six hours I'm like

2728
01:58:21,109 --> 01:58:17,659
amateurs we've done 12. right now

2729
01:58:22,910 --> 01:58:21,119
it's like ah it's like been there done

2730
01:58:24,109 --> 01:58:22,920
that I'm I'm too old now I can't go that

2731
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,119
long

2732
01:58:27,709 --> 01:58:25,920
heck we went for an hour and a half just

2733
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:27,719
trying to get my computer to connect

2734
01:58:32,209 --> 01:58:30,239
well hey you know everything everything

2735
01:58:33,770 --> 01:58:32,219
happens for a reason and it's it's it's

2736
01:58:36,589 --> 01:58:33,780
like

2737
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:36,599
the the technology says if it's that

2738
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:37,920
important and you're gonna get the words

2739
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:39,900
out it's gonna happen we're just gonna

2740
01:58:43,609 --> 01:58:41,520
throw a wrench in just to see your your

2741
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:43,619
perseverance on the matter

2742
01:58:48,530 --> 01:58:46,800
um so I I gotta say everyone I've had a

2743
01:58:51,770 --> 01:58:48,540
blast tonight Laird thank you so much

2744
01:58:55,490 --> 01:58:51,780
for your time and for your energy uh

2745
01:58:58,129 --> 01:58:55,500
it's always an absolute pleasure and uh

2746
01:59:00,050 --> 01:58:58,139
I'm I'm I'm blessed and I'm I'm

2747
01:59:01,490 --> 01:59:00,060
fortunate to to know individuals such as

2748
01:59:03,890 --> 01:59:01,500
yourself and to all the listeners out

2749
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:03,900
there thank you for joining me tonight

2750
01:59:10,129 --> 01:59:06,719
for you know the the hundred or so

2751
01:59:11,450 --> 01:59:10,139
people that have watched in and you know

2752
01:59:13,970 --> 01:59:11,460
we're gonna do this again next week at

2753
01:59:16,189 --> 01:59:13,980
the same time uh next week though we

2754
01:59:17,629 --> 01:59:16,199
have another guest at form a good friend

2755
01:59:19,010 --> 01:59:17,639
of the show

2756
01:59:21,290 --> 01:59:19,020
um and I do believe I'm gonna double

2757
01:59:23,149 --> 01:59:21,300
check my calendar just so he if I if I

2758
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:23,159
announce his name and I'm wrong he's

2759
01:59:33,530 --> 01:59:30,530
uh next week what week yes going forward

2760
01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:33,540
Thursday that is

2761
01:59:39,290 --> 01:59:36,480
oh Thursday the 23rd

2762
01:59:40,910 --> 01:59:39,300
at a dentist appointment that day

2763
01:59:42,890 --> 01:59:40,920
where's my stuff

2764
01:59:44,450 --> 01:59:42,900
oh my goodness it's not even on here uh

2765
01:59:47,390 --> 01:59:44,460
I'm kidding I'm just gonna you know gun

2766
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:47,400
it and hopefully I'm right uh

2767
01:59:51,709 --> 01:59:49,440
Denver Michaels is coming on the show

2768
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:51,719
we'll be talking cryptozoology and all

2769
01:59:55,129 --> 01:59:53,040
of his

2770
01:59:57,830 --> 01:59:55,139
um uh latest books I know he had the men

2771
02:00:01,390 --> 01:59:57,840
of renown come out the massive like 700

2772
02:00:04,010 --> 02:00:01,400
page Tome on giant myth

2773
02:00:06,169 --> 02:00:04,020
it's it's pretty much like my my thing

2774
02:00:08,209 --> 02:00:06,179
or at least everything's my thing when

2775
02:00:10,669 --> 02:00:08,219
it comes to this stuff so uh tune in

2776
02:00:13,250 --> 02:00:10,679
ladies and gents and pineapples if

2777
02:00:17,629 --> 02:00:13,260
you're not here you know it's be here or

2778
02:00:18,830 --> 02:00:17,639
be trapezoid as I say uh so Laird thank

2779
02:00:20,689 --> 02:00:18,840
you very much I hope you have a

2780
02:00:23,870 --> 02:00:20,699
wonderful evening uh we'll talk again

2781
02:00:25,550 --> 02:00:23,880
soon and uh again I'll hit you up on

2782
02:00:28,250 --> 02:00:25,560
Facebook in a couple of days once this

2783
02:00:30,830 --> 02:00:28,260
gets edited and and is ready for a

2784
02:00:32,990 --> 02:00:30,840
full-time distribution uh to create a

2785
02:00:34,490 --> 02:00:33,000
process thanks a lot Chris it's my